How about you play whatever it is you like to play and not give a damn about what twitch streamers play?
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SE has never given away a broken game. FFXIV was absolute garbage, but if you didn't buy the original release, you didn't get ARR for free. Unless you're talking about the free trial, in which World of Warcraft has offered similar for a long time, and SE never offered the significant free trail FFXIV has now as a result of the original 1.0 release being garbage. The free trial up through Heavensward came much later because they were making enough sales from the current game not being terrible to be able to support offering the base game and SOME expansion content for free.
This attitude right here is why WoW is suffering immensely. The expectations of return, you almost sound like I imagine the devs sounded. The amount of players has halved across all blizzard games in four years, this isn't doom saying or me wishing the game dead (I truly want it to be great again), It's facts.
It's a borderline abusive relationship attitude to expect them to come back, some of them found an escape hatch and separated themselves from being known as WoW content creators, I don't see why they'd risk coming back for the bread crumbs of content the devs provide during an expansion and risk being categorized as a "WoW streamer" again.
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To be fair, what we know of 9.1.5 shows a distinct change in direction. Sure, its like 5-10%, but its not 9.0.5 which was a doubling down. I wish i could remember 8.1.5 (since 8.2 was amazing for players like me), actually, 8.1 was really fun for me with the jaina story (i resubbed around 8.1.5 so lack perspective). All im seeing right now is a focus on qol. This makes me relatively optimistic theyre having a change of heart... so im optimistic. Im not on board... im just optimistic.
The reason that people are leaving is because the devs under Ion's leadership have mismanaged the game into the ground, OCD fixating on systems and numbers instead of content.
All it took was a few content creators to successfully cut the cord for others to see it as a viable option and do the same.
Dont get too smug . I said its 10% at best! But it is a trend line and thats cool. I do expect exponentials/logscale though. (I hope youll forgive my... distrust, though... i really want to be hype, but ive played since very early vanilla, and by my count, this is their third attempt to, lets say, 'recalibrate the core gameplay experience'). So im not quite ready to rejoice. But its a positive start, at least.
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Blizzard does not sell power. They sell gold. You even acknowledge that carries existed prior to the token but dismiss it "as a some small server". Gold Bid runs existed in the past. The explosion in popularity of the modern carry came from the Garrison in WoD and predates the existence of the token. It was because anyone could essentially print gold with the garrison that they became cemented in the player base. The token wasn't introduced until later in WoD.
It isn't a deflection to acknowledge that everything the token is blamed for existed prior to. It is just reality and putting blame where blame is due instead of using a singular scapegoat.
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Just red button nuke all the gold from game and start it from zero and delete the token. No WoD veteran sitting on a mountain of gold and sellers loose their stock
I sell carries it's how I pay for wow since I mostly just raid log now. A single carry discord I used had 648 buyers this week and all of them paid via token. Embracing real money trading is never going to be seen positively no matter how you try to spin it. The carries pretoken where rare... you had maybe one or two teams on most servers doing them not cartels of players.
It also isn't excusable how blizzard just let's them run wild. They need to hire actual gms to actively mute them. The average spammer needs to have an account life of roughly 5 minutes compared to the 5 weeks it enjoys now.
People are tired with blizzards lazy approach to their game. I admit a lot of the heat blizzard gets is from being constant fuck ups but that doesn't mean the issues brought up are not valid. Right now with final fantasy the game is good so players are more forgiving. WoW is in a terrible state with blizzard having managed to piss off every player base at once with a combination of lowered rewards, extremely tedious and long grinds, and insultingly bad storylines.
The chickens have just finally come home to roost.
I dont disagree with your take at all. I know(everyone should know) that Blizzard has less players overall in the games they have. But the thing with wow is that people have always returned, atleast enough people each time a xpac launches. Thats how its always been with wow, not the other games. Most Blizzard IPs are left dead except wow.
Right now its expected to take a dump on anything Blizzard related and that will keep on going. But - if Blizzard actually manages to pull out a great 10.0 xpac, things might turn. Content creators might not return to wow, but they might as players. It will probably be a rough situation for content creators if wow takes a turn for the better and is actually a great MMORPG again. Should they stick to what they said about never going back to wow or give in?
In the end I bet most of these content creators will have something to do with wow, cause the constant dumping on wow will never not be popular.
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They were not rare though. Garrisons is what caused the popularity to sky rocket because even the average person could amass a ton of gold. The token wouldn't be so popular if people couldn't make gold. Because the gold is 100% player sourced from the token.
Blizzard doesn't just let them run wild. They keep taking active steps to limit advertisement in the LFG tool. The most recent change was to stop who can make and list groups. Trade chat isn't against the rules. Should it be? Sure. There are servers out there though that see little trade chat advertisment. So it isn't a universal one but just one that high pop servers see because there is a bigger target for the groups.
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It was never about "bashing" blizzard and defending my love. I acknowledged that both have cash shops which are dubiously greedy, skimming more money off the top. That's been your WeirdChamp obsession this whole time, projecting some kind of unhinged fanboy image onto my posts. Stop projecting.
You kept claiming that SQUARE was the greedier COMPANY. And you have since failed to defend that stance.
All I did was provide facts, that nobody buys the great majority of event items on the FF store. That blizzard has constantly been at the cutting edge of corporate greed, copying money-making methods from gacha games and gambling rings. You haven't even denied these things, you've just called me "mad" "triggered" and now unhinged. When you use ad homs such as these and cant even address the facts presented, you've already lost. You have no real argument, so you call me names and try to paint me as some rabid fanboy frothing at the mouth. It's both aughable and pathetic.
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This is something addressed by a lot of streamers and youtubers. When playing the game normally, the only time the cash shop is referenced is on the launcher, and only when they add a new item. WoW content creators compared this to WoW, where Blizzard makes sure you know th cash shop is available in game, as well as regularly popping up windows in game to tell you of new store mounts and pets. Plus the ever present WoW token.
These are not my words, but the words of content creators who play both games. They complain that Blizzard is more direct about making sure you know the cash shop is in game.
But I have agreed this whole time with one point. Cash shops are not healthy for a game. But if the game is good otherwise, it is something that can be overlooked and ignored. If a game is riddled with issues, terrible gameplay and systems, then the cash shop just becomes another turd on the pile of garbage. I've never once defended the cash shop as a good thing. Just correcting misconceptions and falsehoods dome are claiming. The WoW token as a separate entity from the cash shop is in my opinion 50 times worse than the cash shop. Sanctioned gold buying turns my gut. It's disgusting that its allowed, and it's even more disgusting that certain people are defending it.
I could call them fanboys, wow andies, mad, unhinged, triggered, but personally attacking someone rather than addressing the meat of what they say is pretty much admitting defeat before you've even hit the post button.
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On topic, Zach streamed WoW last night and the WOW fans started celebrating in chat that he'd quit FF.
FFXIV was in maintenance last night, and Zach is back to full time FF streaming today. It was super cringe watching people shit on FF to the degree those people were. That kind of naked tribalism is ultra cringe.
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So you agree with what I said yet still use lengthy posts to disagree with what I said? Lol. I haven't failed to defend my claims at all. Final Fantasy has a cash shop with more items which makes it greedier. It doesn't matter if some are past events or some are items you can no longer obtain. What matters is that they exist and they exist for money just to make more money. Which is greed. They could have been given for free or for in-game gold right?
Most companies are at the cutting edge of greed. They seek to make the most money off of their products that they can and Square Enix is no exception. Did you not see their cash grab Marvel Avengers (which actually lost them $40 million)? You can't see, or don't even know, the things Square Enix has done in the past. That isn't even what the discussion as about yet you keep claiming a list of Blizzard's greed is irrefutable proof that they are the greediest company around. You even claimed they are greedier then gotcha games which is hilarious.
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You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."