Capitol Insurrection / rebellion thread

[Corvus]

While I grasp the circumstances I still hate to see the loss of any life. Especially one being shoved forward.

She wasn't being shoved forward. She was actively trying to climb through and was warned repeatedly to stop.

[Narkra]

While I grasp the circumstances I still hate to see the loss of any life. Especially one being shoved forward.

She was definitely trying to climb through the smashed window by her own volition--it is plainly seen in some of the videos taken. There was a congressman on the opposite side telling her not to come through the window. Not sure which it was, but she definitely could have stopped.

[Shadowferal]

Floyd Ray Roseberry, of North Carolina, was charged in federal court in Washington, D.C., with attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and attempted use of an explosive device.

The first charge carries with it a maximum sentence of life in prison, as well as a possible fine of up to $250,000. The second carries up to 10 years in prison, with an additional $250,000 fine.

During the virtual hearing Friday, Roseberry informed the judge that he had not taken his “mind medicine” for two days, and also did not have access to his blood pressure medications and other regular treatments.

Roseberry also told U.S. Magistrate Judge Zia M. Faruqui, “My memory isn’t that well, sir,” adding that his wife has power of attorney over his medical care.

[draynay]

That's some fancy courtroom talk of mind medicine. Didn't realize blood pressure medicine was preventing terrorism either, they're gonna charge extra now.

[Edge-]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/c...rosecutors-say

Mike Lindell is a helluva drug.

[gondrin]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/c...rosecutors-say

Mike Lindell is a helluva drug.

Well, when it comes to Lindell, I can almost guarantee drugs are being used in some fashion.

I love this part of the article:

“If a drug abuser relapses, there is typically a sanction protocol in place to help the person deal with his/her substance abuse issues,” Jensen’s lawyer wrote. “Mr. Jensen requests that this Honorable Court treat his violation is a similar manner.”

Is this person saying that his client needs to go into an insane asylum and be stuck there until he is no longer insane? Man, these people need better lawyers.

[Edge-]

Man, these people need better lawyers.

I'm all for therapy to help them break out of the conspiracy hell and all, but substance abuse? Mike Lindell isn't a substance, unless these people are eating his pillows or something.

[gondrin]

I'm all for therapy to help them break out of the conspiracy hell and all, but substance abuse? Mike Lindell isn't a substance, unless these people are eating his pillows or something.

Well, maybe that is the secret filling in his pillows. Big chunks of grade F crack rock. Lindell said it was a special patented filling he came up with AND he is a former crack user.

[DarkTZeratul]

Well, maybe that is the secret filling in his pillows. Big chunks of grade F crack rock. Lindell said it was a special patented filling he came up with AND he is a former crack user.

You sure about the "former" bit?

[Ursus]

You sure about the "former" bit?

To steal a Mitch Hedberg joke: Mike Lindell used to do crack. He still does crack, but he used to do it too.

[Edge-]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...374_story.html

Proud Bois leader Tarrior has received a 5 month sentence in prison for burning a stolen BLM flag and attempting to bring high capacity magazines into DC.

His lawyer wanted him to receive community service, and prosecutors were asking for 3 years. It's not quite halfway, but I'm glad he's suffering some consequences for his behavior all the same.

Bonus points for him claiming that, had he known the flag was stolen from a church that he wouldn't have burned it when...

Now he denies knowing that the banner came from a church at all, even though there is video that shows him standing on the church’s lawn . . . at the time other members of the Proud Boys were stealing and marching with the banner.

Maybe he was just confused.

[masterhorus8]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...374_story.html

Proud Bois leader Tarrior has received a 5 month sentence in prison for burning a stolen BLM flag and attempting to bring high capacity magazines into DC.

His lawyer wanted him to receive community service, and prosecutors were asking for 3 years. It's not quite halfway, but I'm glad he's suffering some consequences for his behavior all the same.

Bonus points for him claiming that, had he known the flag was stolen from a church that he wouldn't have burned it when...



Maybe he was just confused.

I mean, they did think that the Capitol building was the White House.

[D Luniz]

You sure about the "former" bit?

he's got cocaine money now.

[cubby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...374_story.html

Proud Bois leader Tarrior has received a 5 month sentence in prison for burning a stolen BLM flag and attempting to bring high capacity magazines into DC.

His lawyer wanted him to receive community service, and prosecutors were asking for 3 years. It's not quite halfway, but I'm glad he's suffering some consequences for his behavior all the same.

Bonus points for him claiming that, had he known the flag was stolen from a church that he wouldn't have burned it when...

Now he denies knowing that the banner came from a church at all, even though there is video that shows him standing on the church’s lawn . . . at the time other members of the Proud Boys were stealing and marching with the banner.

Maybe he was just confused.

At a fundamental level, all those fuckwad ass clowns are deeply confused.

[PhaelixWW]

CNN: House committee seeks documents from agencies on January 6 Capitol attack, signaling massive investigative effort

The House Select Committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack requested a massive tranche of documents from several US government agencies -- signaling they intend to undertake a sprawling probe of security failures and attempts to overturn the 2020 election results.

This initial wave of document requests was sent to various executive branch agencies, including the departments of Homeland Security, Justice, Defense and Interior, the FBI, the National Counterterrorism Center and the Office of the National Intelligence as well as the National Archives, which has legal custody of all the presidential records from former President Donald Trump's time in office.

The National Archives previously told CNN it possesses documents that are relevant to the committee's investigation and that there is a process "by which the Congress and the incumbent administration may request access to records of former administrations."

The committee's document requests could lead to potentially lengthy fights over access.

President Joe Biden could seek to block the committee from receiving any of the documents by asserting executive privilege. Trump also could assert executive privilege, but Biden has the ultimate say over Trump on whether the documents can be shared or if doing so could compromise the presidency itself.

After that, Trump could still try to go to court to stop the committee from obtaining documents from the Trump White House and testimony from people like former White House Chief of Staff Meadows.

The question of executive privilege poses several potentially uncomfortable political scenarios for Biden.

If he does assert privilege, the Democrat-led committee could pursue more extreme legal avenues to try to obtain the records. If he doesn't, that could set a precedent that opens his administration to expansive, Republican-led probes if the GOP wins either chamber in the midterm elections.

The Biden administration has already declined to assert executive privilege over some testimony related to January 6, telling former Justice Department officials that they were free to provide "unrestricted testimony."

But the Biden administration has not weighed in on whether the committee should have unrestricted access to records and documents from the Trump White House.

CNN reported earlier this week that congressional investigators are also poised to send notices to various telecommunications companies requesting that they preserve the phone records of several people, including members of Congress.

Rep. Bennie Thompson, the committee chairman and a Mississippi Democrat, said the panel plans to send notices to social media companies, too, though he declined to name which ones.

"I can tell you that we'll look at everything that will give us information on what happened on January 6," Thompson said. "We will look at all records at some point."

[Edge-]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...-over-n1277582

And one of the idiots that planned to kidnap Gov. Whitmer is getting six years in prison.

[PhaelixWW]

just because it was a bad attempt at overthrowing our democracy doesn't make it any less of an obvious attempt to violently overthrow our democracy.

Yeah, it was organized and it was an attempt to overthrow the election. It just wasn't an organized attempt to overthrow the election.

It's like the criminal who shoots a clerk at a gas station during a robbery. They might not have planned to kill the person, but they still planned the robbery and killed the person. But if you plan to rob someone and then bring a gun to hold them up with, then I'm pretty sure the law takes a dim view to your claims that the murder wasn't premeditated.

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Politico: Secret Service warned Capitol Police about violent threats 1 day before Jan. 6

The documents shed further light on the intelligence failures by the Capitol Police in the days before the riot.

Just a day before the Jan. 6 riot, the Secret Service warned the U.S. Capitol Police that their officers could face violence at the hands of supporters of former President Donald Trump, according to new documents reviewed by POLITICO.

The Secret Service’s emails shed light on intelligence lapses by the Capitol Police previously highlighted by both the department’s inspector general and a bipartisan report by Senate committees. Since then, the Hill's law enforcement agency has pledged reform and said it has made changes to ensure the effective sharing of intelligence.

The Capitol Police have argued that while many threats like the ones described in the Secret Service warnings circulated in the days before the attack, no intelligence suggested a large-scale assault on the level seen on Jan. 6.

In a statement, the department said it had received the information about the threats in the Secret Service emails and acted on it by putting out a "be on the lookout" alert for the person who made threats against law enforcement and escalated their security posture based on intelligence about the potential for violence.

"No one’s intelligence revealed the large-scale demonstration would become a large-scale attack," the department said.

The liberal-leaning government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington obtained the documents through a Freedom of Information Act request and shared them with POLITICO.

“On January 6th, our democracy was attacked, but we still know little of how it happened and what was done to protect the government,” said Jordan Libowitz, a spokesperson for the organization. “These emails give a further look into the knowledge the Secret Service had in the lead up to the riot and show just how important it is for a thorough Congressional investigation to bring the truth to light.”

Just a day before the attack, the Secret Service sent a warning to Capitol Police about possible violence. That same day, a separate email circulated within the Secret Service detailing more threats to the officers in D.C. on Jan. 6.

The names of senders and recipients are redacted in the emails CREW obtained, as is often the case with documents obtained through FOIA. The only sender listed on the email sent to Capitol Police is “PIOC-ONDUTY.” PIOC appears to stand for Protective Intelligence Operations Center, a component mentioned in a 2017 USSS report. The email was sent to a redacted recipient with an “@uscp.gov” email address.

Its subject line is “[REDACTED] Officer Safety - 1/6 Demonstrations”.

“Per our Denver Field Office, a concerned citizen reported that [REDACTED] were flying into BWI today to attend tomorrow’s rally and ‘incite violence,’” the email begins. “In addition, the source reports that [REDACTED] previously made threats against President-Elect Biden. The source also reported that [REDACTED] was driving to DC with gear and weapons, to include ballistic helmets, armored gloves and vests, rifles, and suppressors.”

The email then gave specifics about the travelers' motives.

“The subjects claimed that they are in the area to protest election fraud, support President Trump, and acknowledged the possibility of violence if approached by counter-protesters,” the email said.

The email also refers to research from USSS/PID/OSB. USSS stands for U.S. Secret Service and PID stands for Protective Intelligence Division. It's unclear what OSB refers to.

Additionally, it includes a screenshot of a Facebook post from one of the people in question.

“We have an opportunity in Front of us to take back our country and abolish the deep state once and for all,” the post says. “Call me some right wing conspiracy theorist if you will I don’t give a [f---] I read the Facts and I study history.”

The ultimate threat to officers was exponentially larger than this single Secret Service email indicated.

The Capitol Police officers who assembled at the Capitol on Jan. 6 were woefully unprepared for the mob that overwhelmed them and swarmed into the building. In the chaos, dozens of officers were bludgeoned, stabbed or injured by rioters. One Capitol Police officer died in the days after the attack, and another died by suicide in the days after. Three members of the Metropolitan Police Department who responded on Jan. 6 have died by suicide.

“That day continues to be a constant trauma for us literally every day, whether because of physical or emotional injuries or both,” Capitol Police Officer Aquilino Gonell told lawmakers in a late July hearing where officers described the violence they experienced on Jan. 6.

A second Secret Service email reviewed by POLITICO detailed more threats to police officers working in D.C. The email was sent by a person in USSS’s Protective Intelligence Division to people at the department's Protective Intelligence Operations Center and what appears to be the Open Source Unit of DHS.

Its subject line was, “Discovery of multiple threatening Parler Posts directed at DC Police regarding January 6th, 2021 protests”. The sender asked the recipients to “please forward to the necessary entities.” It isn’t clear if the warning was forwarded to Capitol Police.

The Metropolitan Police Department did not respond to a request for comment. The Secret Service declined to comment on its intelligence sharing.

The email said that a person using Parler — a social media network popular among conservatives and used by some rioters to plan the attack — posted multiple threats toward D.C. police on Jan. 5.

“While the subject appears to be targeting MPDC, the subject calls for violence against any law enforcement in DC that ‘sides with the enemy,’” the Secret Service email reads.

The email then went into detail.

“The user posted multiple threatening posts from today (01/05/21) to include, ‘Its time the DC Police get their ass whooped for being traitors in our nations capitol’, ‘DC Police are the enemy of the people. No mercy to them on the 6th. They are not on our side’, ‘time to fight! We cant trust the police, the laws, or the politicians. It’s time to take out all of them to remain a free country on the 6th.’ And ‘The police need to be dealth with on the 6th. Our 2A covers Marxist police officers. If they want a war, they will get one Wednesday. (middle finger emoji) the DC police.”

The email then ended abruptly.

“No further research was conducted,” it read. “If the PIOC requests further research, please send a request to OSU-OnDuty.”

The congressional select committee investigating Jan. 6 held its first hearing in July on the dangers Capitol Police faced that day. But these documents show there may be much more to learn about which U.S. government entities sounded the alarm and why top law enforcement officials didn’t heed their warnings.

The select committee established by House Democrats has not yet scheduled its next hearing, but this week indicated that it will be sending requests to telecommunications and social media companies asking them to preserve communications records related to the attack, including those of members of Congress.

[tehdang]

Yeah, it was organized and it was an attempt to overthrow the election. It just wasn't an organized attempt to overthrow the election.

It's like the criminal who shoots a clerk at a gas station during a robbery. They might not have planned to kill the person, but they still planned the robbery and killed the person. But if you plan to rob someone and then bring a gun to hold them up with, then I'm pretty sure the law takes a dim view to your claims that the murder wasn't premeditated.

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Politico: Secret Service warned Capitol Police about violent threats 1 day before Jan. 6

The documents shed further light on the intelligence failures by the Capitol Police in the days before the riot.

The capitol police chief already resigned in light of the failures in preparation, so I have my doubts that anybody further will be held responsible for intelligence and reaction prior to the breach. At least in regards to the capitol police and their administration and orders.

[Edge-]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88n3...ical-prisoners

Madison Cawthorn wants to "bust out" the "political prisoners" who we apparently don't know, despite I believe all those arrest/charging records being public (hence why the arrests have been reported on extensively).

The party of "law and order" loves them their own criminals.

[postman1782]

https://www.vice.com/en/article/88n3...ical-prisoners

Madison Cawthorn wants to "bust out" the "political prisoners" who we apparently don't know, despite I believe all those arrest/charging records being public (hence why the arrests have been reported on extensively).

The party of "law and order" loves them their own criminals.

Well, Hotwheels can try, but I hope they have spike strips and sticks to stick in his wheels to stop him from moving. Shouldn't be hard.