Visage forms don't make sense

[Sagenod]

Dragons take the forms of mortals for social and/or strategic reasons. When they do, they take the form of "regular" mortals i.e. without draconic features, because that would ruin the point of taking the form to begin with. Socially, the dragon may take the form to be more presentable to their mortal allies in public and not draw attention to themselves, which leads to the strategic reason; they wouldn't want to give away the fact they are a dragon to potential adversaries. Of course, the Dragon Aspects are exceptions to this rule. Their mortal avatars are somewhat "enhanced" though note that these forms still don't bear particularly draconic features, other than Alexstrasza and Ysera having horns in their forms.

The Drac'thyr use this illusion magic only to take the forms of mortals with draconic features, however. This makes no sense to me. The Drac'thyr are meant to be great soldiers for the Dragonflights, so their use of said illusion magic should be even more utilitarian than the dragons themselves, who as stated before, often take the forms of mortals merely to satisfy social requirements. Drac'thyr would want their visage forms to blend in with the mortal populous for strategic reasons. For this reason they should be able to take the form of most if not all mortal races, with no added draconic features giving away their true nature.

Then again, Drac'thyr can't be rogues so they aren't capable of subtlety anyways. Ba dum tss

Edit: Source -- Refer to section titled "Shapeshifting"

Furthermore, by bringing up points like this we have a better chance of having an influence. Look at all the YouTubers that covered the Dragonflight leaks lol. And they're already talking about the popular opinions that the Drac'thyr models need some work.

[Teriz]

Dragons take the forms of mortals for social and/or strategic reasons. When they do, they take the form of "regular" mortals i.e. without draconic features, because that would ruin the point of taking the form to begin with. Socially, the dragon may take the form to be more presentable to their mortal allies in public and not draw attention to themselves, which leads to the strategic reason; they wouldn't want to give away the fact they are a dragon to potentially adversaries. Of course, the Dragon Aspects are exceptions to this rule. Their mortal avatars are somewhat "enhanced" though note that these forms still don't bear particularly draconic features, other than Alexstrasza and Ysera having horns in their forms.

The Drac'thyr use this illusion magic only to take the forms of mortals with draconic features, however. This makes no sense to me. The Drac'thyr are meant to be great soldiers for the Dragonflights, so their use of said illusion magic should be even more utilitarian than the dragons themselves, who as stated before, often take the forms of mortals merely to satisfy social requirements. Drac'thyr would want their visage forms to blend in with the mortal populous for strategic reasons. For this reason they should be able to take the form of most if not all mortal races, with no added draconic features giving away their true nature.

Then again, Drac'thyr can't be rogues so they aren't capable of subtlety anyways. Ba dum tss

Uh, Wrathion purposely allows his eyes to be burning, glowing red to purposely show he is a dragon, and Wrathion is not an aspect.

So no, not all dragons desire to blend in perfectly.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Uh, Wrathion purposely allows his eyes to be burning, glowing red to purposely show he is a dragon, and Wrathion is not an aspect.

So no, not all dragons desire to blend in perfectly.

Apples to oranges comparison. Wrathion's identity was known to everyone around so there would be little point in a disguise.

[Teriz]

Apples to oranges comparison. Wrathion's identity was known to all by that point so there would be little point in a disguise.

He can change his visage appearance at will. He could easily look like someone else and disappear into the crowd. Instead, he purposely makes himself look out of place and the center of attention, because that's just who he is as a character.

[Sagenod]

Uh, Wrathion purposely allows his eyes to be burning, glowing red to purposely show he is a dragon, and Wrathion is not an aspect.

So no, not all dragons desire to blend in perfectly.

Glowing eyes do not immediately give Wrathion away as a dragon. There are all kinds of characters with glowing eyes that are not dragons. Given the fantastical nature of Azeroth, it would be easy for commoners to assume Wrathion is a myriad of things other than dragon. Though by my own logic they could possibly believe he is a dragon as well, particularly if this hypothetical group of commoners have reason to believe a dragon is in their midst. But the point remains: His eyes do not reveal his draconic nature.

Interesting you brought up Wrathion, a character who has intentionally remained hidden for his entire life due to the sensitive nature of his existence.

[Teriz]

Red glowing eyes do not immediately give Wrathion away as a dragon. There are all kinds of characters with glowing red eyes that are not dragons.

Red firey eyes, yet resembles a human?

Not many. Also the point is that he is a dragon who doesn't hide the fact that he is one.

Interesting you brought up Wrathion, a character who has intentionally remained hidden for his entire life due to the sensitive nature of his existence.

While he has remained hidden, when he does show up, he doesn't make it a secret what his true nature is.

[Sagenod]

Red firey eyes, yet resembles a human?

Not many. Also the point is that he is a dragon who doesn't hide the fact that he is one.



While he has remained hidden, when he does show up, he doesn't make it a secret what his true nature is.

Yes, because he is in the company of his allies and others who are, like him, working to save the planet from existential threats.

[Futhark]

There will be visage options that tame down the horns and scales so I'm sure if you wanted a covert visage fantasy you will have it.

[Dractier]

So you’re saying it doesn’t make sense because the forms purposefully have dragon-Esq features giving them away? Why would a solider need to disguise the fact that they are a dragon? It would make sense that they would want their allies to know they are dracthyr so they knew who they were conversing with.

It only makes sense to truly hide who you are to either enemies or people who are out to kill you. Like onyixia did or deathwing or kaelcgos.

Dracthyr from what I gather are just meant to be soldiers not recon, they shouldn’t give a fuck about hiding their identity because they are just there to fuck you up

[Teriz]

Yes, because he is in the company of his allies and others who are, like him, working to save the planet from existential threats.

That's fine. The point is that he isn't hiding his draconic nature.

[Oneirophobia]

Well they're Drakthyr, not dragons. We don't really know what that means other than "Neltharion experiment."

For all we know, they'll be revealed to be elves before they had anything to do with dragon stuff. Dragon-weeaboo elves who volunteered to be
experimented on by an aspect.

They could be test tube babies. We don't even know what "experiment" means. Either way, not a regular dragon. Was their actual draconic form not a tip off anyway? When was the last time you saw a regular dragon walk around on two legs coming in at 5'11? No, the drakonid are also not dragons, don't even start with me!

[Teriz]

There will be visage options that tame down the horns and scales so I'm sure if you wanted a covert visage fantasy you will have it.

It'll also let you be a cute elf/human/dragon girl with horns;



We're all doomed.

[Powerogue]

Have you forgotten who made them?



BEHOLD MY IMPECCABLE MORTAL DISGUISE! NO ONE SHALL KNOW IT IS I, DEATHWING!

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It'll also let you be a cute elf/human/dragon girl with horns;

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I'll take your entire stock.

[qwerty123456]

They aren't actual dragons. They probably can't make a fully accurate visage considering they can't fully fly either.

[Dractier]

Have you forgotten who made them?



BEHOLD MY IMPECCABLE MORTAL DISGUISE! NO ONE SHALL KNOW IT IS I, DEATHWING!

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I'll take your entire stock.

Also take a look at his one of his consorts. “Let’s infiltrate the alliance… let’s choose a name… hmm what should it be what should it be…. Oh I know! I’ll choose the exact same last name they use to know deathwing as!!!”

[shadowmatrix]

Also take a look at his one of his consorts. “Let’s infiltrate the alliance… let’s choose a name… hmm what should it be what should it be…. Oh I know! I’ll choose the exact same last name they use to know deathwing as!!!”

1. I think your talking about his daughter Onyxia.
2. At that point in time, maybe even now, no one knew that Daval Prestor was Deathwing. it fit that she would use her father's fake name as a part of her scheme's since he left the human world while being highly respected.

[Dractier]

1. I think your talking about his daughter Onyxia.
2. At that point in time, maybe even now, no one knew that Daval Prestor was Deathwing. it fit that she would use her father's fake name as a part of her scheme's since he left the human world while being highly respected.

Huh I must be misremembering I thought he left and went into hiding and that’s when people put two and two together that he was a dragon

[shadowmatrix]

Huh I must be misremembering I thought he left and went into hiding and that’s when people put two and two together that he was a dragon

I think the high council of Dalaran knew he was a powerful caster but never discovered he was a dragon.

[Teriz]

They aren't actual dragons.

According to Blizzard devs, they are.

[loras]

Dragons take the forms of mortals for social and/or strategic reasons. When they do, they take the form of "regular" mortals i.e. without draconic features, because that would ruin the point of taking the form to begin with. Socially, the dragon may take the form to be more presentable to their mortal allies in public and not draw attention to themselves, which leads to the strategic reason; they wouldn't want to give away the fact they are a dragon to potentially adversaries. Of course, the Dragon Aspects are exceptions to this rule. Their mortal avatars are somewhat "enhanced" though note that these forms still don't bear particularly draconic features, other than Alexstrasza and Ysera having horns in their forms.

The Drac'thyr use this illusion magic only to take the forms of mortals with draconic features, however. This makes no sense to me. The Drac'thyr are meant to be great soldiers for the Dragonflights, so their use of said illusion magic should be even more utilitarian than the dragons themselves, who as stated before, often take the forms of mortals merely to satisfy social requirements. Drac'thyr would want their visage forms to blend in with the mortal populous for strategic reasons. For this reason they should be able to take the form of most if not all mortal races, with no added draconic features giving away their true nature.

Then again, Drac'thyr can't be rogues so they aren't capable of subtlety anyways. Ba dum tss

More than a few assumptions there i'm afraid.
For one: Why would they need to infiltrate? Soldiers are not necessarily specialists for infiltrating.

And given that the dragons themselves can transform already, why would they need their creations to do that for them?

It seems to me they are more meant for lighter work, as mages and strike forces of sorts; dragons are better at pretty much anything else.

Alternatively they are simply meant as meat; numbers to reinforce an army, just capable enough to be useful. If that is the case then their illusions might simply be an afterthought along the lines of "good enough", rather than needing to be perfect.