Why exactly are people against a LFG system?

[Koalachan]

Because it "ruins" the "community". And yet, I can count on one hand the number of problems I had in groups from WoW LFD. Hundreds of runs and only a few malcontents. Apparently I've been "lucky". *rolls eyes*.

Yes, yes you have

[Redblade]

Anonymity invites people to behave poorly, it has a negative effect on server communities, it generates issues with looting due to the lack of consequences to name a few, this is all assuming you mean the cross server version of it.

At the end of the day it's simply a band aid for population issues and I'd rather them curing the disease than treating the symptom.

[Dorfadin]

Game probably wouldn't need LFG system if servers were all busy, but only 3/4 out of 60ish are busy now, in EU at least
Just hope they really do pull their fingers out and give us mergers or free xfers sooner rather than later, been waiting 2months to move my main already from a dead one.

[Lord Blackmore]

Yes, yes you have

No. What I think is that a lot of people who claim to "have problems" are, in fact, the problem. I've had almost NO problems precisely because I'm not a pain in the ass who complains about every little thing.

[Raeli]

Apparently it was missed:

SWTOR's GROUP FINDER WILL BE SERVER LIMITED. Meaning it's only your server - everyone saying it will ruin server communities, as such, should, really, just stop posting because it's entirely in server only. It is NOT like WoW's, it won't be cross-server.

If someone is a dick in a group finder group on SWTOR, you can still tell your guildies and friends and post it in general and say so, and then people will soon know who to avoid grouping with.

And before you start thinking it will be useless - Transfers are coming, likely with or before 1.3, that should bring the overall population onto fewer, more populated servers, meaning you will actually have people around to group with.

[Koalachan]

No. What I think is that a lot of people who claim to "have problems" are, in fact, the problem. I've had almost NO problems precisely because I'm not a pain in the ass who complains about every little thing.

I very rarely whine about anything, and I have met a LOT of asshats in WoW LFG.

[Freese]

I very rarely whine about anything, and I have met a LOT of asshats in WoW LFG.

Maybe you were that Hunter in the group who was pulling 2k DPS on a stand-still boss fight? Seriously. I'm not saying no one has problems with LFG, but to say that a majority of your experiences in the LFG yielded "a LOT of asshats" means that you probably were doing something wrong. I'm guessing you're probably someone who doesn't want party-wide DPS meters in the game either?

[drwelfare]

You get poor performers and people who act like asses due to no recourse. A global LFG seems the better thing.
LFD tool in WOW feels like McDonalds, you know and expect it to be mediocre or worse, but since it is there and easy you use it anyway.

[Lilly32]

But if people transfer off full servers to low pop servers wont that hurt a same server LFG system? We need people to leave dead servers and move to the fuller ones for a larger supply of people for the queues.

[Koalachan]

Maybe you were that Hunter in the group who was pulling 2k DPS on a stand-still boss fight? Seriously. I'm not saying no one has problems with LFG, but to say that a majority of your experiences in the LFG yielded "a LOT of asshats" means that you probably were doing something wrong. I'm guessing you're probably someone who doesn't want party-wide DPS meters in the game either?

Actually, I'm that Resto druid who never lets anyone die. Or that Arcane mage that did 22k in FL gear. I don't mind meters, I mind people who post them incessantly. I usually don't say much other than "howdy," if I say that, until other people speak. What I say after someone else speaks depends on what they say. If they're an asshat, I let them know. If they're cool, I'll strike up a conversation and keep the game fun and lively. I'm the guy that ticketed the Warrior for needrolling an Agi bow when there was a hunter that obviously needed it, before they added more restrictions. I usually try to run with 1-2 guildies, most of whome when they spoke only spoke in /g chat. But yea, the number of ninjas and asshats I've seen was obviously because of me. Maybe it's because they think I'm a doormat.

Oh, and as a GM, if I find out any of my guildmembers act up, even in a cross server group where they think they can get away with it, I will kick them from the guild. Just because there is anonymity, doesn't mean you shouldn't treat people like they're people.

[Raeli]

But if people transfer off full servers to low pop servers wont that hurt a same server LFG system? We need people to leave dead servers and move to the fuller ones for a larger supply of people for the queues.

There is only one full server in EU, and one Heavy. They're not going to go and open up Transfers off of those two and let them go to ANY server of their choice - there isn't enough to make even a noticeable difference on all the other servers.

More likely: Those two servers will be locked from transferring to, but allow transfers off of. A select amount of other servers will be available to transfer to, and any other server will be locked to transfer to, but be allowed to transfer off of. For example. There might be 10 servers you can transfer to that might be standard or light or some of both, all of the other 60 or whatever, you won't be allowed to transfer to, but people will be allowed to get off of those servers to one of the 10 Bioware selected. This would mean that most of the population would go into a smaller set of servers, thus raising the number of servers with a healthy population, and likely, they would then start closing down the other, emptier servers.

Of course, I can't know that for a fact, but it's the only thing that makes sense - they said that initially there will be free, targeted transfers to and from specific servers. What that says to me is that they are going to allow free transfers, and try and use those free transfers to herd us all into a fewer number of servers so that those servers we go to will have a decent population.

So personally, I'm not too worried about the servers being empty because when the transfers come, they're going to try and herd us around like sheep as best they can into the nice cosy pens of servers that will become well populated from transferees.

[araine]

in theory, i would guess people that have a problem with LFG are afraid it is going to follow WoW cross-realm model which as a by-product encourages people to act like tools and ninja everything without fear of earning a bad reputation on their home server. But as mentioned above, not only will it be introduced in the next major patch, but i believe it will not go cross server.

People against the idea of a LFG, are also afraid it will take away from 'the community interaction'...though if you're on a low pop server, where's the interaction?

Sitting in town spamming LFM/LFG this or that for hours on end yeah that is a quick way to make sure you lose subs. A game today must have these automated matchmaking features. No way a player will spend hours upon hours in trade// general chat spamming LFM.

We have all memories of wow in BC where you had to sit spamming for ages to get something and than you got a group that fell apart since it just took to long to get going, and back to square one and spam for another healer or tank for 2hrs. The problems with LFD is very minor compared to the massive problem it is to have to spend hours spamming for tank// healer

[Raeli]

Actually, I'm that Resto druid who never lets anyone die. Or that Arcane mage that did 22k in FL gear. I don't mind meters, I mind people who post them incessantly. I usually don't say much other than "howdy," if I say that, until other people speak. What I say after someone else speaks depends on what they say. If they're an asshat, I let them know. If they're cool, I'll strike up a conversation and keep the game fun and lively. I'm the guy that ticketed the Warrior for needrolling an Agi bow when there was a hunter that obviously needed it, before they added more restrictions. I usually try to run with 1-2 guildies, most of whome when they spoke only spoke in /g chat. But yea, the number of ninjas and asshats I've seen was obviously because of me. Maybe it's because they think I'm a doormat.

Oh, and as a GM, if I find out any of my guildmembers act up, even in a cross server group where they think they can get away with it, I will kick them from the guild. Just because there is anonymity, doesn't mean you shouldn't treat people like they're people.

In the amount I did, it was not uncommon to see people not pulling their weight, vastly under performing. I would play a Tankadin and my GF an Arcane Mage, so we usually were pretty ok, it was only in situations where people were actually making things worse would there be a problem - by which I mean, them playing badly and doing low DPS or healing was managable usually, but people pulling extra packs and that sort of thing were the sorts of things that would cause issues.

There were some times when people would need on stuff, but only once or twice ever where it was a case, like you say, of a warrior needing an agi bow when a hunter needed it. Most people weren't rude or mean, they were just not very good players. Personally, I don't really care if someone is good or not, if it gets the run done without too much downtime, it's only the rude ones that bother me, and like I say, personally, that only happened a handful of times out of a vast majority, and a lot of those rude people were kicked or left themselves after raging at people.

I've had people enter, run in pull as many mobs as possible and leave, causing us to randomly wipe, I've had people coming in and insulting everyone, but those were the exception, not the rule, and they were a rare exception. Most people are fine, unless you start making issues by complaining about their low DPS or the fact that the Mage is using Str Gems - if you just let them do their thing, so long as it doesn't cause you to wipe, it doesn't really matter. Sure, the run might be faster if they knew what the fuck they were doing, but then if you want really fast runs, go with people you know and can trust. Still, most of the groups I would run ZA in would manage the timed runs or be very close, back when Firelands was pretty fresh, so they weren't all too terrible.

[clevin]

Because it "ruins" the "community". And yet, I can count on one hand the number of problems I had in groups from WoW LFD. Hundreds of runs and only a few malcontents. Apparently I've been "lucky". *rolls eyes*.

It's not so much the malcontents and asshats as the fact that in most groups you don't talk. At all. The other 4 people could be really good NPCs (or sometimes bad ones... ) and I'd never know. Contrast that to the old TBC and vanilla groups where you'd run with people from the server and you'd probably say hi, chat a bit, etc. and you might see them again.

Like you most of my LFD people have been OK, but there's no interaction at all... and why should there be? Even if we hit it off and liked playing together... we can't. No, RealID doesn't solve that.

[GW2lacky]

I just logged into Rift. People always say "ROFL Rift is Dead" I queued up and was in a group in around 5 minutes...must be more active than this game. Just logged into WoW and was in a group even faster. Seriously does BioWare just want everyone to quit because 5 hours with no group is beyond unacceptable.

Self-intersted, wannabe purists with a skewed and dated perception of 'community' wanting to limit how other people play because of their own selfish ideals. They 'blame WoW' because they think every group they're in should end up with everyone being bestest buddies. And for as much as these people claim to be all about community they seem to have lacked the ability to make a few other friends (out of millions possible) that also like to avoid the LFG so they can group up with and grind dungeons.

The whole 'anti-LFG' group comes off pretty as pretty spineless TBH.

[Lilly32]

Since I had the day off I spent 12 hours online today. I got one group even as a tank spec. Working as intended I guess. 1.3 better be out before my current month runs out or Im not resubbing. Sitting in fleet for 12 hours for one group is pure shitty on BioWare's part. LFG should have been in the game from the start, no excuses. In 12 hours I could have farmed out 3 sets of gear for my WoW Pally (Holy, Prot, and Ret). Yet 12 hours in this game gets me ONE piece of loot. Horseshit.

I dont tell the LFG haters how to play the game so stop telling me how to play. If I want to group with random people from other servers just so I can at least get groups who the hell are you to say I cant?

[Deleted]

Because it generates poor players who have no clue about the game they are playing, instead of working in a team to down content they complain for easier content that can be completed quicker and they dont even want to make friends to do the content, they want the developer to do all that for them, If you cant make some friends on a server to do content, then perhaps mmos arent for you//

[Lilly32]

Because it generates poor players who have no clue about the game they are playing, instead of working in a team to down content they complain for easier content that can be completed quicker and they dont even want to make friends to do the content, they want the developer to do all that for them, If you cant make some friends on a server to do content, then perhaps mmos arent for you//

Yeah! more people telling everyone that only their way is the correct way and anyone who didnt come over from another game with friends or with real life friends or is in a guild is wrong. Again no one will force you to use it dont ruin the game for people who want it.

[inboundpaper]

People can't deal with dicks.

[Koalachan]

Yeah! more people telling everyone that only their way is the correct way and anyone who didnt come over from another game with friends or with real life friends or is in a guild is wrong. Again no one will force you to use it dont ruin the game for people who want it.

Yeah! more of this same argument. Again, if they don't force people to do it, they won't. If they don't do it, than you will be back here complaining it takes 2 hours for your queue to pop.