41 year old man walks free as judge callls 13 year old a Predator

[Pengalor]

They're arguing that age of consent shouldn't exist.

Why then, can a child not do those other things?

The consumption of alcohol or the smoking of cigarettes can lead to long-term adverse health effects. Sex can lead to the transmission of disease or pregnancy. Why is a child incapable of acknowledging the ramifications of cigarettes or alcohol, but "if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed"?

I don't know that that argument works since at 16 they can drive which can endanger their lives and the lives of those around them.

[smelltheglove]

Well obviously its ultimately the adults fault. He knows better, and clearly knew she was under age. HOWEVER, I take issue with people thinking a 13 year old couldn't be so manipulative when they clearly can be.

well, obviously they can be manipulative, but that doesnt necessarily translate to "responsible"

[Sorrior]

For good reason unless you have conclusive information that the age of consent is too high and is in some way detrimental to the well-being of the children and/or society as a whole.



Far too vague and likely to lead to abuse. There's already Romeo and Juliet laws in place (in most places at least) that protect other minors from being charged with statutory rape as they would both be incapable of providing consent. What your suggestion seems to allow is adults to start looking at lower and lower ages as appropriate targets for their sexual desires.

Also allows younger people to seek older partners if they choose..I just don't assume power/abuse as a default unlike most people. The idea is to create a system that encourages safety for the largest number possible while encouraging the maximum freedom..Again rape is rape statutory rape is not rape..Or rather not real rape barring actual abuse/assault/rape criteria.

[Lovecrafts]

It may be your opinion but it has zero legal standing..

Apparently it does, as the Judge saw the kid as a predator and set a man free

[Crissi]

well, obviously they can be manipulative, but that doesnt necessarily translate to "responsible"

And none of my arguments have included either lessening the mans sentence, or making her legally responsible.

However, to be allowed to continue to do what she did under the guise of "she cant consent" is dangerous thinking. She needs some fixing, whether that be boarding school, therapy, MUCH better parental supervision, ect...

[Shadowmelded]

Also allows younger people to seek older partners if they choose..I just don't assume power/abuse as a default unlike most people. The idea is to create a system that encourages safety for the largest number possible while encouraging the maximum freedom..Again rape is rape statutory rape is not rape..Or rather not real rape barring actual abuse/assault/rape criteria.

Please stop making statements regarding the law when you clearly don't understand it, it's actually pretty dangerous to promote disinformation like this.

Apparently it does, as the Judge saw the kid as a predator and set a man free

Incorrectly and he will receive the proper punishment when the case is reviewed in the immediate future. The DPP have already stated that the prosecutors use of the word predatory was incorrect in it's application and the judge apparently merely took into consideration that the 'looked and acted slightly older than she was'

The reason this is even an issue is because the law was incorrectly applied and will be rectified, so don't celebrate or relax too soon.

[Velaniz]

I really don't see how the people making rape threats can claim any sort of moral superiority or high grounds. Fucking filth, all of them.

And the death threats? O.o

Also, I have nothing but sheer lols for the fact that the dog and horse pics added on to his charges.

[Sorrior]

So you should be allowed to have sex with children because you can't tell then apart from adults?

LOL no..Not what i was saying at all...Seriously. No i am saying not everyone CAN tell the difference as well as it not always being obvious. Assuming it is is just foolish.

Oh and future reference i have had teenagers hit on me only to turn them down once i learn their age...Which i DO ask for. I realize my views may give some people here the wrong idea about my personal orientation age wise. Won't even try dating your average 20 year old these days.

[Pengalor]

Please stop making statements regarding the law when you clearly don't understand it, it's actually pretty dangerous to promote disinformation like this.

You could try actually refuting his points instead of applying rhetoric with no substance. I'm curious what you're thinking because what they said is true.

[Aristeus]

you're still clearly underestimating a 13 year old's ability to be manipulative and know what she is doing. So I'll let it go at that.

No i'm not, you're severely underestimating the responsibilites of an adult.

[AndaliteBandit]

Ok reading though these replies i see a lot of well just card her well i think everyone should look back a bit and see Traci Lords who started as a porn actress at age of 16. Her fake ID was so good that even the companies that made the moives of her we let off on the charges of child porn because the id was that good in fact it was issues by a state forget which one off the top of my head. Carding the girl you are dating does not work really and is awkward to say the least taking her to a bar or something that does the carding for you is better though not fool proof.

You said it yourself, the companies had plausible deniability. If a fake ID is presented, the accused would have a viable defense of plausible deniability.

If an adult is going to engage in sex with a stranger, he or she needs to accept that there are potential consequences. Would he or she have unprotected sex with a stranger and risk the transmission of disease? If yes, and he or she therefore contracts a disease as a result, they knowingly engaged in potentially risky behavior and met the consequences.

If it's a possibility your partner is underage, and you make no attempt to verify their age, you're either too irresponsible to be having sex, or you didn't want to verify the age because you knew better, opening the door to a supposed plausible deniability claim. If you feel the need to roll the dice and take your chances, don't play the victim when you lose.

[Lovecrafts]

You could try actually refuting his points instead of applying rhetoric with no substance. I'm curious what you're thinking because what they said is true.

He can't, he's just a keyboard lawyer from what I can tell XD
It's a very passive-aggressive style of online arguing.

[Pengalor]

LOL no..Not what i was saying at all...Seriously. No i am saying not everyone CAN tell the difference as well as it not always being obvious. Assuming it is is just foolish.

Oh and future reference i have had teenagers hit on me only to turn them down once i learn their age...Which i DO ask for. I realize my views may give some people here the wrong idea about my personal orientation age wise. Won't even try dating your average 20 year old these days.

Honestly, I'm shocked that you haven't been called a pedophile yet. That's what always happens to me when I present these kinds of views.

[Sorrior]

When you're 13 trolling for older men, you ARE being predatory. That doesn't excuse the idiocy (put it niacely) of the adult, but to pretend 13 year olds are little angels who don't know what they are doing is naïve.

Here here as i said before i have had semi similar things only to instantly go hell no once i learn the age...Looking adult as in above 22 some girls really can pull it off sadly and some do and some men don't care/ask.

[Aristeus]

I see so much evidence of the successful brainwashing of our society to believe that all children are precious, perfect, innocent, never to be blamed, etc etc. It's a child fetish that our breeder culture can't seem to let go of.

Kids can be complete manipulative, scheming, lying, evil little shits, just like adults can. Children can be predators just as adults can.

Again, bravo to the judge.

You sound like you condone fucking kids if they look like they want it.

[AndaliteBandit]

They're arguing that age of consent shouldn't exist.

Why then, can a child not do those other things?

The consumption of alcohol or the smoking of cigarettes can lead to long-term adverse health effects. Sex can lead to the transmission of disease or pregnancy. Why is a child incapable of acknowledging the ramifications of cigarettes or alcohol, but "if she's old enough to bleed, she's old enough to breed"?

I don't know that that argument works since at 16 they can drive which can endanger their lives and the lives of those around them.

In the UK, the age of consent is 16.

I don't know where 13-year-olds can drive though.

[Shadowmelded]

You could try actually refuting his points instead of applying rhetoric with no substance. I'm curious what you're thinking because what they said is true.

I'm sorry but I'm not going to waste an undue amount of time attempting to reason with someone who says things like 'Statutory rape isn't rape' and 'Law or not' in discussions concerning the law. What's even the point if he's just going to abandon the law when it doesn't suit him. Statutory rape is rape, there might not always be force involved and the levels of coercion can vary but it is still rape as consent from the minor has not been given.

[Sorrior]

Is this meant to be ironic?

Not really but i am swapping between next to no emotions and being annoyed/pissed at people stupidity. The issue itself provokes no real emotions while the replies to it do...As an aside seriously WHY do these threads ONLY show up when i'm lacking sleep and feeling like crap/thought process off kilter?

[Gheld]

You sound like you condone fucking kids if they look like they want it.

And you sound like a straw man fucked an ad hominem and made a baby. :3

[Windfury]

Wow the first couple of pages of this thread bought me to a new level of disgusted with mmo champ.

How hard is it to understand that it doesn't matter what a child is doing, they're still a child, and if they're under the age of consent you can't have sex with them? That seems very simple to me.

From my own personal experience working with children, young teens are just discovering their sexuality, and the power it can have, and experiment with that via flirting, being suggestive etc. That's very normal for kids. It doesn't make them predators or make it ok to have sex with them.

The age of consent is there for a reason, it reflects the fact that the part of the human brain that processes judgement, planning, strategising etc is *NOT* developed until mid to late teens at the earliest (general somewhere between 16 and 24 individuals reach their full adult brain capacity in respect of the areas that manage those skills). These kids literally do not have the ability to make adult judgements and understand the ramifications of their actions. How can they possibly be considered predators by anyone when those factors aren't involved in their actions?