Originally Posted by
Dhrizzle
None of that changes the wording on the referendum, very few (if any) democratic processes are based on clip reels from YouTube. Maybe if the Leave campaign hadn't collectively shit their pants and done a runner they could have put forth their comprehensive plans for how the UK could leave the EU, the EEA and the Customs Union without wrecking the economy or breaking the peace in Northern Ireland, but as those plans failed to materialise (along with the 350m a week for the NHS coming directly from the funds that would have been sent to the EU) it's very likely such a thing isn't possible, so all options should be explored as to how we can honour the "Leave the European Union" result of the referendum (if we don't see common sense and have a second, better informed and more informative referendum to get a clearer picture of what the country actually wants.)
Like I said though, "nobody cares" is a common colloquial phrase used to indicate that an insignificant number of people care about bespoke trade deals to benefit the rich and privileged. It's unfortunate that small minority happen to have a chokehold on the government but it doesn't mean they represent the will of the people. Is there are reason you didn't address that part of the argument?
“The customs arrangements at the moment are hardwired into the membership treaty, so I think everybody now recognises there is going to have to be a new treaty [between the UK and the EU]. It will do the work of the customs union. So it is a customs union,” Starmer said.
“But will it do the work of the current customs union? Yes, that’s the intention.”
I think it would remove the need for border checks between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, why do you think it won't?
Citation needed.
Always, but I'm quite happy that my assessment of the current UK government being crippled by internal divisions is accurate and I would feel the same level of disappointment with any Party that failed in its duty due to internal divisions during such a crucial time for the UK.
The devolved government of NI is currently broken thanks to a scandal involving the DUP and it's difficult to gage how much their elected MP's represent policies the people approve of, and how many are elected because they wear the correct badge in the Protestant/Unionist-Catholic/Republican divide. And let's not even mention Sinn Fein's absence from the UK Parliament.
It's not a gotcha if I can counter by copy-pasting the text you thought you were gotchaing. By the same token as all major parties were against Brexit before the referendum then we shouldn't have had a referendum because the elected representatives already had an answer.
No, I'm complaining that the Conservatives are failing to consult with the people of NI and instead have followed the hard-line of a tiny minority of MPs who's party wield a far larger amount of power than their vote-share would suggest.
Is this a joke? Do you know what a referendum actually is? There is a huge difference between electing a person to represent your area and answering a question that will directly affect policy. I knew your grasp of how UK politics works was tenuous but I didn't realise you were struggling with the basics of democracy as a whole.