Mega-Thread: Mueller investigation

[Levelfive]

To be fair, saying "I will not lie under oath" is kinda silly. Nobody should lie under oath. But what Stone is doing is begging for a pardon. Based on emails and witness testimony, Mueller knows Stone is a direct link between Team Trump and Russia. And based on their history, Stone probably would have told Trump personally and specifically about this.

Stone is not saying "I will not bear false witness against Trump's campaign". Just Trump himself. That's a shout-out to Trump for sure. He is going to have to be exceedingly careful about what he says on the stand. In the meanwhile, Trump knows what Stone told him. That's why he posted this and screamed "BUT HER EMAILS!" in a series of tweets.

The Walls are closing in.

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Stone goes on TV and says the witnesses against him are being forced to testify falsely by Mueller and that they hate him and are willing to lie under oath just to get him.

He then went on to say "I am 66 years old, I do not have a valid passport, I do not own a gun," Stone said. "They'll have all of my records. There was no reason to treat me like Pablo Escobar. I mean, what does Trump pay these people for?"

"Trump wasn't paying them," the interviewer replied.

"Oh right, shit," Stone concluded, "No wonder they were carrying out law enforcement in accordance with their principles."

The initial explanation I saw for the early morning raid was that they were worried he was a flight risk, so it perplexed me when he was allowed to post bail. I had also assumed they were concerned about him trying to destroy evidence but it didn't really come together for me until I read this https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/26/o...stigation.html that he's almost incidental in his own arrest and indictment, which is bad news for the few remaining who haven't yet been indicted.

[Grapemask]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/no-esc...ped?ref=scroll

Basically that says the case against Roger Stone is so perfect, they don't need to flip him. Which is why there was also this post earlier: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/roge...ry?id=60646251

What I love about this stuff is that Roger Stone is no longer indicating he won't cooperate, and Corsi is also signaling that he'll rat out his fellows rats if it keeps him off the indictment list. Both of these guys were shouting that they'd be loyal to the end when Mueller first got on them, and now they're singing a completely different tune. I'm imagining that they both expected to be rewarded by Dear Leader for their loyalty, only to be treated to radio static and realize what literally everyone already knows: loyalty with Trump is a one-way street.

[Orbitus]

What I love about this stuff is that Roger Stone is no longer indicating he won't cooperate, and Corsi is also signaling that he'll rat out his fellows rats if it keeps him off the indictment list. Both of these guys were shouting that they'd be loyal to the end when Mueller first got on them, and now they're singing a completely different tune. I'm imagining that they both expected to be rewarded by Dear Leader for their loyalty, only to be treated to radio static and realize what literally everyone already knows: loyalty with Trump is a one-way street.

Was the same with Cohen, but when Cohen found out the evidence that Mueller had on him, much like Corsi and Stone, he started singing like a jaybird.

[Jeezy911]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

[Thekri]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

Who is the "Nobody" you are talking about? Because that seems to be something conservatives won't shut up about. The man in question is being arrested for working with Russian intelligence agents anyway, so plenty of guns is a good idea.

[Canpinter]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

Oh no the may have been very slightly over zealous in an attempt to stop him from potentially destroying evidence dear me someone fetch my swooning couch!

[cubby]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

I love how our Trumpkins are trying to talk about ANYTHING other than the facts of events. But sure, tell us about the super scary SWAT team that your so concerned about. While we're watching Trump and his world come crashing down tell us how concerned you are about the arrest procedures.

[Arvei]

LMAO at right wingers calling Stone's arrest a process crime and trying to switch the conversation over to excessive armed force. These whataboutisms and deflections are becoming meme-tier. Writhing yourselves into these knots would make a horsehair worm jealous.

[Grapemask]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

I mean, we could talk about it, but that doesn't actually change what Roger Stone did. It doesn't matter if Mueller used an alien transporter to teleport Stone to a prison colony on Jupiter, used the army to extract him while beating him with billy clubs, or had Betty White politely ask him to get in her car, Stone is still on the hook for multiple crimes and he's still going to be spending a lot of time in court and most likely jail.

[Breccia]

Already looking at a cooperation agreement with Mueller.

He'd have to be stupid not to consider it. Mueller, by contrast, as some of you have already indicated, might not need to offer anything. You don't typically offer a plea deal when you have means, motive, opportunity, and witnesses screaming "HE DONE DID IT!"

Unless Stone has something extra juicy that Mueller, and we, don't know about. Such as a confession from Trump.

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Well, time to listen to another legal expert. Guess the speaker of each of the following:

A)

The fact is that he’s [Roger Stone] got a problem. They’ve got all these emails and text messages that he created that tell a pretty clear story, and I think it’s going to be very difficult for a jury to listen to that and conclude that it wasn’t what he was trying to do. If he decides to go to trial, he’s in very, very grave danger. Everyone is presumed innocent, and so is he, but the indictment I think is a pretty damning indictment.

B)

The fact of the matter is that every white-collar defendant in this circumstance, when they’re confronted with a bunch of documents of their own making, tries to say that they’re out of context. If I had a nickel for every time I had a defendant tell me when I was U.S. attorney that something was out of context, I’d be a rich guy and I’m not.

C)

Legally, I think he’s absolutely well within his right to [pardon Stone]. The president understands the limits of politics and he’s understanding it even more. And I think he knows that those kinds of pardons would not be politically viable.

The answer to all three is Trump ally Chris Christie.

Wanna see the video?

[Orbitus]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

Let's see, they didn't call CNN to join, the indictment dropped the day before he was arrested, and he was expected to be arrested for a month or so. And as has been shown, that is standard procedure for FBI arrests.

[pathora44]

I love how our Trumpkins are trying to talk about ANYTHING other than the facts of events. But sure, tell us about the super scary SWAT team that your so concerned about. While we're watching Trump and his world come crashing down tell us how concerned you are about the arrest procedures.

I find it more hypocritical and funny that Trumpsters are now all up in arms about militarized police on this but watching a video of a black man with arms in the air being shot by police they will say "obviously he was resisting arrest and the officer was protecting himself."

[NoiseTank13]

Yeah I'm getting images of FBI storming a black persons home in the suburbs, shooting his girlfriends toy chihuahua, manhandling him for having a dimebag of pot, yet GOPers get all flustered when it happens to a white person.

[Breccia]

YGOPers get all flustered when it happens to a white person.

2017: "Yeah! Fire and fury like you've never seen! Scare those North Koreans with shock and awe!"
2019: "Why the hell did you send a tactical SWAT team to arrest someone? Show some restraint!"

[FeedsOnDevTears]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

I am impressed at how many lies you managed to fit into a single 35 word sentence. Either you (or whoever gives you the words that show up in your posts) is working really hard, or you're so uninformed you make the average FOX News viewer look like a Noble award winner who just retired on their Jeopardy winnings. I count at least six, or just under one lie every six words. Have you ever thought of working for... - hey, Donald, is that you?

[Yetanothernewbie]

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/01...y-mueller.html

I know its an opinion piece but please, please let this be a reality!

[Rukh]

Let's see, they didn't call CNN to join, the indictment dropped the day before he was arrested, and he was expected to be arrested for a month or so. And as has been shown, that is standard procedure for FBI arrests.

Especially when they expect that the target is going to destroy evidence. He's lucky he didn't get Manafort'ed and the knock be at his bedroom door.

[Breccia]

I know its an opinion piece but please, please let this be a reality!

I mean, he talks to Trump all the time, he knows Stone, and hired Cohen. It's not that farfetched.

[Orbitus]

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/01...y-mueller.html

I know its an opinion piece but please, please let this be a reality!

Here's to hoping. Not because he is a shitgibbon propaganda bullshit artist, well that is part of it, but it would be nice to see him in an orange jumpsuit next to Stone, Cohen, Trump, Trump Jr, and Manafort.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I love how nobody is talking about how they sent a Military swat team to arrest a 70 years old guy with no prior history for a process crime after calling CNN to join in.

Well as Republicans say about poor people, Mexicans, blacks, and basically everyone they hate: "They shouldn't have committed a crime!"

Funny how people who commit espionage against the United States (and extremely high crime) are treated with more dignity than many border crossers (a misdemeanor).