In theory, yes, the shoulder had more bond support, so it's less of a weak point.
- - - Updated - - -
As was stated, he allowed them to cuff him without incident. It was a single officer, they had a 20-second conversation, then the officer stood him up, turned him around, and cuffed him.
- - - Updated - - -
Why are you demanding objective criteria? Racism is nearly impossible to quantify, so you are simply being fucking absurd at this point.
What you can see, is use of force by officers, based on race.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399
Seriously, your attempts to defend racism are fucking pathetic.
That, I do not know. I have not seen a video of the time between the two events. The murdering officer (that seems fitting) does not appear to have a body camera. I thought I saw one on the other officer, but I cannot get a good enough shot.
They appear to be worn on the right shoulder in that department, but I thought I saw one center-chest on an officer.
Edit: There is another video circulating showing officers supposedly dragging him out of a car, so I have no idea if either is actually genuine at this point.
Last edited by Machismo; 2020-05-27 at 11:54 AM.
A man has died as a consequence of the actions - not merely inaction or negligence - of another man.
- - - Updated - - -
Some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses.
Incidentally, that phrase was Google's top suggestion for "some of". Could it be trending today?
This is a clear cut case of extreme abuse by the police. And those who are guilty of it should pay in every lawful way possible. They have been fired and now should be prosecuted.
" If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher.." - Abraham Lincoln
“ The Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to - prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..” - Samuel Adams
It was the middle of the afternoon, not night and there were multiple witnesses, as I said.
And again, they're not going to fire at a clearly unarmed white guy in the middle of broad daylight with a dozen people around to see. The use of deadly force is not authorized against unarmed offenders, which is why they carry less-than-lethal weapons like mace, sticks and tasers. They get away with shooting minorities because America is clearly FUCKED. See: the armed white gun nuts shouting directly in the faces of police officers INSIDE the government building "protesting" the lockdown.
- - - Updated - - -
I saw it on Twitter yesterday and it is supposedly NOT the same guy.
Last edited by Benggaul; 2020-05-27 at 12:04 PM.
You're describing the steps for suicide by cop, I don't care what color you are. If you got lucky once upon a time, great - I mean the probability might even be in your favor but a 60/40 or even 80/20 probability of surviving is too much risk for most people. It's not a reasonable expectation for a stranger to be so brave, especially in these times when it feels like it's more 80/20 you're gonna get shot than the other way around. That's not even accounting the risk of potentially going to jail by assaulting an officer.
People did run toward these cops screaming at them and it changed nothing; not sure if you noticed but the guy with his knee on the victim actually drew a weapon at one point when someone ran up, and his buddy was running interference for him. It looks in this scenario like you're going to have to physically dislodge the officer to save this man's neck and that is running some serious risks assuming you can even get to him.
Let's suppose you knock the cop off and save the guy's life... do you think the officer is getting prosecuted for anything if there is no death? You don't know that there is a high quality video of this event being taken, maybe there isn't one or maybe if the guy survives, no one cares - there's no news story, it's just another case of excessive force to add to the heap which exists in this country. The story is that a madman charged the police while they were doing their jobs, got tased and arrested. Or justifiably shot and killed (not saying I think it's justifiable, but I bet the system would). I'm not too familiar with the law as it would apply here but I suspect we're talking about a felony, so even a small amount of bad luck could leave you virtually unemployable. Maybe you're a person who doesn't have to worry about that, if so you're lucky.
It's worth it if you can save someone's life, but that would be remarkably brave. It's the norm that most of us aren't that brave or willing to self-sacrifice for someone we don't know in a situation we barely understand.
Why the fuck wouldn't they fire on someone who does that? If you try to physically intervene on officers, while they are arresting a suspect, they are justified in using force against you, and considering your aggressive nature, and closing of distance, they would be justified in shooting your ass dead on the spot.
Just. No.
As you stated, there were people coming over, getting close-ish, and yelling at officers to stop. The officers didn't stop. If you get much closer, and try to physically intervene, you are in serious risk of losing your life. As for skin tone, whites are actually slightly more likely to be shot by officers. They are less likely to have all other forms of use of force used on them.
https://www.nber.org/papers/w22399
Racist cop who murdered a black man. This is so far what all the evidence is leading to. As of right now yup this man needs to at least be arrested. The partner and all the other cops who showed up need to be put on unpaid leave until things can be processed. Now we still need to wait for the autopsy report for cause of death. If he died of another cause other than the knee he still needs to be charged with involuntary manslaughter for failure to render aid. This one because it involved a cuffed individual who became unconscious in custody in the hands of an officer they need to immediately detain the cop. This visually is getting worse and worse.
I don't even know what to say at this point that hasn't already been said ad nauseam.
How many people of color have to be killed by law enforcement with "I can't breath" on their lips before we admit the problem is systemic.
The usual suspects are already here of course making bullshit excuses, blaming the victim, denying the systemic nature of the problem etc.
The solution is in training and top down enforced change in policing culture, police culture in the US has a massive problem with race and use of force, add to that the absolutely self evident problem with how they are trained.
There is crime and law enforcement everywhere in the world...Yet somehow...in other comparable countries they manage not to murder people already in custody.
It's a training and cultural problem. HOW IS THIS NOT SELF EVIDENT?
I saw the picture, and I'm not buying it. There's a Facebook page bouncing around that clearly looks fake (posts are from late last night).
- - - Updated - - -
It is evident, but the people who are going out of their way to defend the cops on this, don't want the system to change. They love that the system has racial bias. You'll also note that those very same people are the Trump-supporting ethno-nationalists.
They are justified in using force...which is NOT the same as using DEADLY force. They are NOT "justified" in "shooting your ass dead" in this instance, so sorry, you're wrong.
I get that people are scared and finding an honest cop in the States seems to be a rare thing these days, but language like yours is what gives them more power than they actually have.
If you charge a cop who is making an arrest, it'd be hard to get a prosecutor to press charges, much less convict him if he shot your ass dead. This is a high-pressure situation, and you are being very aggressive.
Officers have very little time to react, and an officer could easily feel his life is in danger, if a stranger or mob of people is rushing him while he's otherwise occupied in an arrest. Now, I was never a cop, but I was in the marines. If someone had run up to me, while I was detaining an insurgent, there's a very good chance I would have drawn and fired. When you are otherwise engaged with a suspect, you are vulnerable. Sure, there may be another officer watching over the situation, but they also have multiple priorities, and you do not want to become the primary aggressor in a situation like that.
Not wanting to be shot is a reasonable position to take for literally almost everyone. If you don't think you could get shot by doing that, then you are wrong.