Blizzard removing competition, making rated-PVP another example of farming

[Ovacor]

Everyone pondering what you have to play for if not for elite gear, if you are a COMPETITIVE player you will enjoy the increase in COMPETITION with these changes. All classes benefit from an increase in stats (obviously...); however, certain classes (rogues, Druids, Warriors) benefit more from acquiring better gear. With that being said these changes will allow different group compositions to perhaps perform a little bit better. Example, Rogues in low 1600-1800s without Elite gear/weapons are a pretty easy kill. A rogue in Elite gear/weapons can actually hurt quite a bit (of course the skill difference should be emphasized, but I know Rogues in game and I have watched them advance throughout the season).

Not to mention the competitive players will still be competing for various titles and mounts. The people bitching about these titles are likely the same people who would have bitched about casuals being able to acquire the PREVIOUS season's conquest gear. Please, shoo...

[Vulpei]

For years the PvP community has been saying how much better they are than the PvE'ers. How PvE'ers are just scrubs who want free epics while PvP is the Lord's work. Now it turns out you just want gear, just like PvE. Time to get off your high horse.

[akon]

I will write my last post here since obv you cant understand the reasons I totally disagree with the 5.2 pvp changes. Come to my position even u mr 't2 in all seasons" What bout remove hc pve gear? just normal raid hear with weapons ALSO be available through dailies?

Have a nice FARM...day soz

[Deleted]

I guess most of you didn't even read the whole thing. Stop crying it's a good change.

[Deleted]

I will write my last post here since obv you cant understand the reasons I totally disagree with the 5.2 pvp changes. Come to my position even u mr 't2 in all seasons" What bout remove hc pve gear? just normal raid hear with weapons ALSO be available through dailies?

Have a nice FARM...day soz

Those who raid competetively (HC) do it for the competition and bragging rights of being the best, not the gear. If you play the game for gear alone I feel sorry for you.

[Kildragon]

As i said im pissed and cant find my cigarettes but honestly u had the same behavior when the FOTMS were 2shotting u so plz stfu quitely and go do ur dailies "please"

I don't recall ever crying about FOTM classes. I tend to formulate arguments in a logical form and in an understandable and respectful manner. You however seem to have missed any and all education regarding civil discussion or even how to structure a simple argument.

P.S I am 27 years old, OLD enough to have seen true legends from pvp, Old enough to have played tons of games and spend tons of times to improve my self, now excuse me I need to go check some inc mmorpgs kiddo.

I've noticed this habit that you have of calling everyone a kiddo, as if you were some kind of wise and knowledgeable individual. Really though, your arguments make no sense and there are very few skilled PvPers that disagree with this change. Also, for being 27 you seem to be lacking any kind of social skill, proper writing capabilities or even basic reasoning.

To actually address your argument though, having played since launch means jack shit. Some of the best players this game has ever seen started playing in later expansions, while plenty of terrible 8 year players have never broken 1500. As for legends, most of the legends became really known after TBC, considering how there wasn't even any arena in vanilla and arenas were only starting out in TBC. So, just to make sure you get the point: having played since vanilla doesn't mean anything in an actual argument and just makes you look like a try hard.

You also mentioned how you have played tons of games and have spent tons of time improving yourself. All right, I've played tons of games as well. Not sure how that has any impact on the validity of my arguments regarding this subject, but there you have it. Tons of games is also a very subjective way of phrasing it by the way, and as such doesn't make for good argument material. Still, you've been playing video games for a long time and have worked hard to improve yourself. Congratulations, what's your highest rating achieved so far? Playing something for 8 years is a lot of time to practice, so you should have gotten Gladiator at least once right? (I'm not actually making this assumption, I'm simply pointing out the ridiculousness of your claim.)

P.S2 if u didnt like my behavior then go check the "LF1M HEALE PUG GRP" shouts u keep copy-paste in chat.

Ah, the lovely personal insults without any reason. Love it. Your arguments make little sense and are nearly impossible to decipher. Learn to formulate an argument that incorporates reason and you might make people curious as to what you have to say.

[knusern]

I really like the changes, and also how they stated "maybe the PvP community can join in on the discussion" is a really cool thing of blizzard to say, if it comes to pass. Wish there was a way they could get the feedback that we really appreciate how they are trying to do things lately, maybe they will read some MMO-CHAMP and arenajunkies forums and get our appreciation. anyway, good job blizzard!

Small side note, it may not work out, but something like getting a very small conquest reward for every win AFTER cap would be a good idea? like 3 min 15 max depending on rating? It would, if not for people playing all day and all night (which, with so small rewards, should perhaps be okay for them to get ahead for?) at least make the PvP scene a whole lot more active? I don't know, I would like the idea. 10 gold + 5 conq points per win *after cap, edit* would be awesome actually

[Larwood]

The only people effected negatively by this, and thus the only people who are crying about it, are people who like queuing random BG in their fully decked out toon with the rest of their arena team so they can stomp randoms.

[Deleted]

Just cause u are pretending something that u are not even close to, and i mean this cool guy who is writing on forums in a such a lovely way, i was high warlord and end game pvp geared, even with the xpacs before u even find out what is youporn.com all about, mr smartass kid

Well now this is hilarious. HW/GM meant only that you spent immense amounts of time in BGs, it had absolutely nothing to do with skill.

[WarTV]

2.2k was fine. or maybe too harsh for the current season where the activity is very low.
the main problem with that rating is that people where wintrading / selling ratings.
With the removal of the rating requirement the only thing you can buy is big caps every week. It Will pretty much hit the rating selling market pretty hard which imo seems to be blizzards main goal with this change.

[Makarena]

I love this change.

[Theholypally]

Skilled players will still be skilled players, and bads will continue to be bads.

I see no real issue here.

[Alphamage]

So PvP is all about gear? What about the skill factor?
I still haven't gear at all for PvP this season. I needed to enter the two new battlegrounds on my Mage just to complete the final legendary quest to get the prismatic socket. I have great battleground experience since I have been doing PvP constantly for over 4 years and I even level characters from 10-90 only in battlegrounds.
So I queued in the battlegrounds in full PvE gear(497 ilvl) in my PvE Fire spec.
Was thinking "oh crap, I will be so owned by the PvP geared players". Well, in both battlegrounds I died once, did 23 kb total and was top damage dealer. Maybe I got lucky but I am just saying this because I believe that gear can help no one if he lacks the skill and experience.
People that play arena or rated battlegrounds in high ranks (2000+) will all have same great gear and very good skills. So where is the problem?

[Pool of the Dead]

Prove your Skill by competing with others on the same gear level and getting Gladiators Titles/mounts.

Seems a lot more skillful than fuckers that just wintrade to 2.2k at the start of a season, get T2 and stomp people trying to catch up in gear.

Anyone mad at these changes are just bads that now have to actually worry about Skill over gear Disparity.

[Theholypally]

Well now this is hilarious. HW/GM meant only that you spent immense amounts of time in BGs, it had absolutely nothing to do with skill.

Whats really hilarious is people that actually believe what you are saying.

[GKLeatherCraft]

^^

anyone who says that it isn't clearly doesn't understand that the gear gap and people sitting on their asses at 2200 rating in the beginning need to go.

Myself as a 2200 rating welcome the competition as others have stated, it shouldn't be about the gear it's about skill and anyone who's complaining about this clearly does not have the latter.

Exactly, the "true" PvPers welcome this change, It is very wrong you can get to a high rating, then sit there and hardly PvP at all, that's clearly what the wintraders and people who buy their rating want, because they would have to spend more to stay there now
Competition is the best thing about PvP, those who are more skilled will get there faster and have the gear quicker, so it won't matter

[Deleted]

Instead of solving the itemisation problem with PvP gear they are just giving everyone the gear if they show enough persistence. One way to solve the widening chasm between tiers of PvP gear, which right now you could drive a truck through and it would only have gotten worse. 2.2 rating was never terrifically hard to achieve anyway, it just took some persistence and consistency. Would have preferred if the elite gear became cosmetic with awe inspiring gear, that way most the gear disparity is fixed and those with rating have something to show for it. This way is better than nothing, because on live the disparity is a joke; being honor geared against a conquest geared player is like turning up minus five levels and wearing greys.

[PowerGamez]

Crappy joe blow who just wants to cap points:
10 arena wins per week, team hopping all the time and never breaking 1500 = 1800 CP
Week 15 - Enjoy your Elite Weapons

Keen pvper that is 1/2 decent:
Get to 1800 in 3s first week - (at least 10 arena wins + 1 rbg = 2200 CP)
Each week after - ( 13 arena wins + 2 rbgs wins = 2795 CP)
Week 10 - Enjoy your Elite Weapons


Super awesome l337 skillz pvper:

Get to 2400 in 3s first week - (at least 10 arena wins + 1 rbg = 2200 CP)
Each week after - ( 17 arena wins + 2 rbgs wins = 3699 CP)
Week 8 - Enjoy your Elite Weapons

That's a massive 5-7 week advantage amazing pvpers still have so this change is only really a bandaid fix.

A simple rating decay system would be good imo if they want to encourage people to play and not sit on ratings. i.e. If your team doesn't play at least (5% of total games) or 10 games, whichever is higher every week - your arena rating decays by 10%.

[Hyve]

Skill > Gear

That is all I saw when reading the whole post. Rated Battlegrounds needed this change. It will mean more farming within them, but that does mean people who can't get into an RBG Team can now do so. It is content I would love to get involved in, but I don't have a stupidly high rating or stupidly powerful gear for it, despite how skilled I am.

[GKLeatherCraft]

A simple rating decay system would be good imo if they want to encourage people to play and not sit on ratings. i.e. If your team doesn't play at least (5% of total games) or 10 games, whichever is higher every week - your arena rating decays by 10%.

How is this too different from a decay system? If you don't PvP enough, your rating will remain the same, but those who actually do PvP, will keep climbing based on how much they PvP, isn't it basically the same effect or am i missing something?