kotick is probably more worried about not being able to say a big double digit number when talking about wow more than he is for the losses from china.
no one at blizzard is majorly concerned about the losses in the east and are more focused on how to keep their western subscribers engaged to keep them ingame and subscribed longer.
as long as the losses continue to be mostly from korea and china blizzard isnt going to go out of their way to worry about them when they have western subscribers that make them so much more money and need to find a way to keep them engaged longer
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for the price of one month of wow in na or eu you can pay for around 6 months of wow over in china, probably even more
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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That's why I did recommended a sticky guide for this topic before. Because every 3 months people in frantic denial of what they hear, repeat the same misunderstandings all over again and again and again. Again 2 pages just because some guy believed earnings from WoW went up only because he doesn't understand the reports he quotes.
Someone is retarded, i dont want to get banned.
On topic, i believe the main cause is lfr.
Once you do lfr i see no point to playing anymore.
i love how they say its all chinese players, meanwhile all NA servers are dead.
i fail to see how opening up content that previously only around 1 10th of the playerbase took part in to more people would cause subs to drop.
not to mention only around 3 million people raid INCLUDING lfr, although that number is from ds so lets assume atleast 4.5 million people do lfr now, thats still around half of the playerbase that does nothing but quest,level alts, pet battle, and dungeon in wow and never set foot in a raid
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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So the facts say:-
1. 1.3million drop in subs as at 31 March 2013. Largest drop in subs ever in Wow history.
2. Kotick states publicly he is concerned over Wow Subs.
3. The massive decline in subs is from 3-6months of latest expansion release.
4. Around 1mill subs lower than the lowest point in Cataclysm.
And ur trying to tell us all that everythings fine?
Dude u need to wake up and actually check the facts because your continual attempts to tell us all that everythings fine is becoming hilarious.
Last edited by mmoc978ad45763; 2013-05-10 at 12:20 AM.
Bullshit it was easy to pug ICC. I remember waiting an hour in a group of 24/25 players to find one holy Paladin. Pugging 25m content was such a PITA... and a lot of the time you'd get ninjaed or the raid would fall apart after 3 bosses and that's it, you'd be screwed the whole week thanks to the shitty lockout mechanics.
The only reason there aren't as many pugs for NM now is that there's a lot of people who only ran NM pugs because there was no simpler alternative. Now that LFR is available a lot of that pool of people just do LFR instead since it doesn't take forever just to organise.
How do you know the Eastern subscribers are quitting for good? I remember hearing their subscription system works differently so I'm not insinuating anything.
But to say Western subs are fine is kind of wrong. Sure some players may resub later but what kind of numbers are we talking about? We really have no idea. And what about the players that are quitting and about to quit? I think it might just balance itself out more or less.
ALOT of chinese players have quit wow and started playing lol and age of wushu its taken a massive hit from wow subscribers in china and have become the new big thing at the cafes in china
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because thats what chinese subs are mostly about, big numbers, the amount of revenue they bring in is nothing compared to the marketing they provided when wow was able to say "WE HAVE 12 MILLION SUBS"
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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It isn't just WoW. The entire MMO-genre reached its peak and is on the decline. But when we look back, you can bet everyone will say and should be saying, Blizzard is responsible for jump starting the MMO again and starting a full out MMO wars. Good times. Remember how many games upon release were getting stacked up against the mighty WoW and how people were saying it was a "WoW killer". It was silly, but it was still funny to read everything people would say. All I can say is, what a ride it has been. It's not over yet, by any means, but it certainly looks like unless Blizzards next expansion is nothing short of amazing, the sub levels are going to go down to a more appropriate level. When the dust has settled, we'll have hardcore players left over who will refuse to leave, no matter what. There are probably enough to where there should be a fair amount of subs still.
He's making a presentation to shareholders. They don't care if the subs are US or Asian, it's all the same revenue.
You guys need to remember that this information isn't there to be used in pissing contests on the forums. It's financial information for people who own Blizzard shares.
And of course he's concerned, what other game can continue to charge $15 a month for over 9 years and still retain over 8 million customers? Obviously Blizzard needs to keep making new games to keep up revenue streams just like every other game studio on the planet. Why does everyone on the forums act like WoW was going to last forever? It's already lasted far longer than any other game I can think of.
i predict subs will continue to fall till around 6 million where they will stay for a few years and then it will decline again until its population is comparable to that of everquest. it will likely eventually get a sequel either in the form of warcraft 4 or another mmo sometime in the distant future, even if wow hits everquest levels of subs i dont see blizzard ever abandoning the warcraft universe and will keep it alive in the form of books, movies, video games ect ect
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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Man.... Skyguard and netherwing dailies were popular because they had cool mount rewards. Shattered sun was popular because it was an absolute PvP dream and had good profession patterns and misc shit for the pve nubs. None of those daily hubs were forced onto players, it was a choice. Its as simple as that. In wrath though they tried to push it a bit by making shoulder enchants a daily grind but they still allowed rep based head enchants be obtained through dungeons with the tabard. Now that worked, it gave players something to do without being too forceful. Hodir dailies were awesome and always full of ppl for pvp It wAS great until the HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE fk up that was making them BoA. That was the start of the great running in circles in a major cities trend. The way mop dailies are designed is terrible.
If they were so dead set on this daily bullshit they could have gone about it in many diff ways. Imo i would have liked to see a single, patch upgradeable, hub were u could obtain all the lesser charms u needed each week. Other reputation grinds through dailies should give no charms and have little to no gear upgrades and instead have some cool vanity items and profession patterns and MOST importantly progressively increase the amount of charms u get from the main hub quests until it gets whittled down to a 1 time grind each week for all ur charms. Also scrap any oideas of making this BoA. Every alt should be forced to go through the same ritual. This would have ensured ppl are always in the same areas and PvP can thrive as well. The rest of the dead time afterwards should be filled in with some creativity and a FKING world pvp battle area.
atleast 30% of wows subs are from china, so yes losing alot more subs from china could easily put them around the 6 mil mark. and i already refuted your argument about kotick. and the massive sub losses have already been explained as being caused by the massive shift in china to lol and age of wushu,
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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Ok so Wow subs were at around 12mill and 30% of them are from China...
Now we are at 8.3mill and we have lost around 4mill subs. thats around 33% right?
So another drop to 6mill, which is 50% of 12mill, means theyre all from China right?
Dude... seriously.
U invented some bullcrap about what Kotick is thinking but i didnt see any reference to what hes actually said... so far i have seen ZERO references to facts from any of your posts.
(please reply i want to lol some more!)
Last edited by mmoc978ad45763; 2013-05-10 at 12:48 AM.
no when we were at 12 million chinese subs were atleast 50%. it would be around 30% now.
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i find it hilarious that anyone thinks an mmo thats making like over 500% operating costs in revenue is anywhere near in bad condition.
"I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
"so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon
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Illidan and Vashj plotline was a lot better than Chen Stormtout ignoring everythign that happens in the world to make some beer, yes. A lot better.
Retconing Sargeras origin didnt hurt the story in a single bit, so i dont know why you put it as an example of bad storytelling.
MoP storyline sucks, and goes into common places of making every panda in the game an alcoholic that want things to go slow. Beer elementals alone show how bad MoP storyline is.