Why do lesser skilled players feel entitled to see content?

[Deleted]

Well it's clear from the forums that the legendary wow is dead. Replaced with an arcade game.

Not worth it anymore then. You all have fu. With your mediocore game. Please, the next game anything like pre-Wrhat wow...stay the fuck out of it..

It's like you're a little fortune cookie filled with crap!

Any time you want to actually contribute instead of these little sound bites of rubbish you keep posting you let me know.

[Deleted]

Hey lets make up bull shit numbers to back up our argument.

Thats the nr of people who saw naxx in vanilla....

Why not cut raid development and make nonraiding alternatives instead like players asked for in the first place and leave raiding to those who like raiding instead of the system we have now that tries to make LFR one size fit all despite it being an impossibility and consuming development resources for other content like five mans?

Why cant you show your Gold Challenges all done and all Brawlers beaten Archivemnet pls?

A minority saw all the content in WotLK and Blizzard was happy with that.

Thats balls - a lot of people saw WotLK Inis comapred to Vanilla or TBC...

I have a problem with people not wanting to have something as an unreachable goal and strive to get to that goal.

So you have a problem with how the game is then why dont you just unsub?

[NatePsy]

Like I said, there are those of us that know what this game was and has turned into. And those that don't see whats happening.
It basically comes down to everything from the actual content to the lore being trivialized due to all the oversimplifying, streamlining and dumbing down of the game.

And then there are those that know how games work, and know that developers are looking to evolve the game over time and you're one of those players of such games that does not want to evolve with the game. Warcraft is fast evolving, you either get on the train of evolution or you stand there and continue to bitch. Maybe their plan to evolve the game that is disliked so much by you, is a sign that maybe this game is no longer for you?

[Normie]

I don't think you read my post correctly. I was talking about any raiding guild (also normal mode raiding), not just heroic raiding. And if you're not completely ignorant and blind you would see that since LFR has been introduced the amount of non-LFR raiding guilds is in a heavy decline.

Normal mode this expansion is pretty close to heroic. The only people doing normal mode with any success are people with heroic mode skill but some scheduling or organization problem that prevents them from getting a good heroic group together.

Basically I mean any guild where you have to "apply" to raid or have any application like procedure. If you don't understand why there is no new blood, well, I can start by telling you it's not because of LFR.

[glowpipe]

Because its a game. Not a gentlemans club with selected members. Everyone pay the same. Everyone should play the same crap. I dont like it anymore than you do. But its how it should be.

And blizzard is a business. They are after the most money they can earn. They make games to earn money. And nothing else. By having more ppl playing they earn more money. A lot of ppl shafted out of content they pay for = less payers. Its not rocket science

[palamanian]

Well it's clear from the forums that the legendary wow is dead. Replaced with an arcade game.

Not worth it anymore then. You all have fu. With your mediocore game. Please, the next game anything like pre-Wrhat wow...stay the fuck out of it..

Why so upset? It's a game, really, no one will miss you if you stop playing it.

OT: Another thread complaining about WoW! I'm just going to ignore the OP as a quick search will turn up more than enough threads on this. Instead I have a question, do you ever help lesser skilled players?

[Windfury]

LFR is anti-social in it's basic principles. Normal and Heroic is the opposite, it's quite social and you get to know great ppl. But maybe this is what the LFR ppl want. They want their content with as little in game socialization as possible.

Purely my opinion here but why would anyone want forced socialisation? Just from my perspective but I'm a teacher, I don't want to socialise with high school age kids, and I'm quite sure they don't want to socialise with me either (can you imagine the horror in finding out the person you've just been forced to socialise with was your school teacher?). That doesn't mean the game isn't social for me, but there's no need to force people to interact on a personal level who don't really want to or need to.

[Amerissis]

Lol. What you think is reason maybe.

It's a shame the game will probably die for good before you people realize what has happened.

You do realise that those 'you people' are the ones enjoying the game and that they're fine with LFR? The game will not die just because people like you quit.

uh huh. And explain how this has any bearing on anything when the game was doing just fine before LFR.

Was it? I remember recruitment problems in Classic, because it was hell to get 40 people ready and new recruits would only join the one 'good' guild. I remember recruitment problems in TBC, because further progressed guilds poached all good members and getting new recruits was horrible (get them through all the attunements, gear up and then lose them to poachers). I remember not getting recruits in WotLK, because they were pugging or already in a guild. I remember not getting recruits in Cata, because normal raids were too difficult.

LFR didn't kill recruitment, you did! Elitist jerks like you who used to poach of 'lesser' guilds and refuse to bring in new players to teach and gear finally got served.

[Aquamonkey]

No, you are entitled to a refund on video games too. Havent got one recently since all i have played the past 5 years is wow, but prior to that, i used to buy games regularly and if they were shit i would return them.. All you need to do is give name and address and reason.. simple.. same with music cds, so long as you hand back everything you bought, they have to give you a refund, or credit to use on something else... be nice when you speak to them and you will get a refund, be a dick about it and you wont. of course it helps if you use jedi mind tricks..

With physical copies, yes. You can just return it for whatever reason for store credit.

With digital copies, not so much. You generally have to prove the product is defective in order to get a refund. They won't just refund you because you didn't like the game.

And I was referencing a real event. In South Korea, D3 was unplayable due to server shit. Blizzard refused to give refunds. Enough people complained that the authorities raided the Blizzard HQ in SK. Then Blizzard "generously" offered a grace period where they would give refunds.

[Dormie]

And then there are those that know how games work, and know that developers are looking to evolve the game over time and you're one of those players of such games that does not want to evolve with the game. Warcraft is fast evolving, you either get on the train of evolution or you stand there and continue to bitch. Maybe their plan to evolve the game that is disliked so much by you, is a sign that maybe this game is no longer for you?

Full. Of. Shit.



I know I'm not wrong, is the thing. The game will be over in less than 2 tears with you carebears steering the ship.

Bicker about how I'm not not making any points in this thread or w.e. I've seen this thread enough now to know that it's not worth it trying to explain it to such hard heads people.

[anaxie]

Normal mode this expansion is pretty close to heroic. The only people doing normal mode with any success are people with heroic mode skill but some scheduling or organization problem that prevents them from getting a good heroic group together.

Basically I mean any guild where you have to "apply" to raid or have any application like procedure. If you don't understand why there is no new blood, well, I can start by telling you it's not because of LFR.

Rofl no it's not. Please don't post silly things

[smiiiff]

Here's another quote:

There is this myth that most LFR raiders were former N raiders. By and large this is not true. Most of them were not prior raiders. (Source)

My same point still stands. Because of how small the population of traditional raiders is, even if every single one of them quit for LFR, both of GC's statements would still be true. Non-raiders would outnumber raiders in LFR no matter how many raiders did it.

Show me where they said explicitly that LFR hasn't poached from traditional raiding.

While it is possible that LFR is poaching on normal raiders, it most likely isn't. Basic reason will tell us even if some quit normals to do LFR, those would probably have quit the game if LFR hadn't come to the game instead of staying with normals. Heck, go google for people who quit heroic raiding because of growing up and/or getting a social life/job. WoW is a game that on the highest level requires a lot of time. 6 years ago i could easily put in the 30+ hours a week. I can't anymore. I went to normal raids and having fun in the time i still have. Lot's of people can't put in the 15+ hours i still put in the game. They went to LFR or quit.

But we also see a lot of LFR players who never raided join us because they want to learn to be better. Then again, we accept lesser skilled players and do not complain the aren't up to par the first few weeks.

[Windfury]

Here's another quote:

There is this myth that most LFR raiders were former N raiders. By and large this is not true. Most of them were not prior raiders. (Source)

My same point still stands. Because of how small the population of traditional raiders is, even if every single one of them quit for LFR, both of GC's statements would still be true. Non-raiders would outnumber raiders in LFR no matter how many raiders did it.

Show me where they said explicitly that LFR hasn't poached from traditional raiding.

You know as well as I do that those blue posts are the bulk of what they've said. To me they make it pretty clear the vast majority of LFR players aren't coming out of the normal/heroic mode raiding pool.

Obviously you disagree, but in that case again I have to ask why is it those people's fault for not wanting to raid? They're propping up hardcore raiding with their subs already, why should they be expected to prop it up with their time as well if they don't want to? It's their time. Why are they obligated to have fun in the same way hardcore raiders do? Why isn't organised raiding appealing to them more than LFR if it's so awful?

[Deleted]

Full. Of. Shit.



I know I'm not wrong, is the thing. The game will be over in less than 2 tears with you carebears steering the ship.

So your way of removing content for everybody and just catering for the hardcore players will save the game?

And we're the blind ones? Haha, ok.

[anaxie]

You do realise that those 'you people' are the ones enjoying the game and that they're fine with LFR? The game will not die just because people like you quit.


Was it? I remember recruitment problems in Classic, because it was hell to get 40 people ready and new recruits would only join the one 'good' guild. I remember recruitment problems in TBC, because further progressed guilds poached all good members and getting new recruits was horrible (get them through all the attunements, gear up and then lose them to poachers). I remember not getting recruits in WotLK, because they were pugging or already in a guild. I remember not getting recruits in Cata, because normal raids were too difficult.

LFR didn't kill recruitment, you did! Elitist jerks like you who used to poach of 'lesser' guilds and refuse to bring in new players to teach and gear finally got served.

Raiding is a ladder system. Normal mode guilds are the middle ground for new players. Then you have the half finished heroic guilds, Then you have the guilds that finish well before tier ends. Then you have the week 1 racers.

How can you honestly expect the upper tier to accept a BRAND new inexperienced player on a whim to the core raid group. Fuck alts are fine though and he will prolly see hella good progression in that raid. He isn't going to skim by as dead weight though has to actually WANT to try.

[Windfury]

Full. Of. Shit.



I know I'm not wrong, is the thing. The game will be over in less than 2 tears with you carebears steering the ship.

It must be great to have that kind of self confidence. Pity you haven't been able to back up anything you've said in any way though.

'Because I say so' isn't exactly a convincing argument that's going to swap people to your point of view.

[Zuben]

I work, spend time with friends/family, play other games, have other hobbies, commitments etc. With all that jazz I can't really be arsed to study WoW's finer tactics and techniques, walk the hard walk etc. I don't find enjoyment in that. I play to have a good time and relax a little. Lore is my main investment in the game, but pre-LFR I couldn't see the biggest parts of it due to how raids demanded me to get into stuff I didn't enjoy. Why would I continue to invest my money on a game that demands me to do something I don't like to get something I like? Blizz realized this and nowadays I get to do things I like to get things I like. You need to get over yourself and accept people aren't all like you.

[Windfury]

Raiding is a ladder system. Normal mode guilds are the middle ground for new players. Then you have the half finished heroic guilds, Then you have the guilds that finish well before tier ends. Then you have the week 1 racers.

How can you honestly expect the upper tier to accept a BRAND new inexperienced player on a whim to the core raid group. Fuck alts are fine though and he will prolly see hella good progression in that raid. He isn't going to skim by as dead weight though has to actually WANT to try.

So you want new players but aren't prepared to do anything at all to achieve that. Instead Blizzard should take out things other people enjoy until some people have no option to come to you. Good plan. I can't see at all why high end guilds are having trouble recruiting.

Seriously, if you're not more appealing than LFR to all these LFR people who apparently really want to raid normals/heroics then you're doing it wrong.

[Dormie]

So your way of removing content for everybody and just catering for the hardcore players will save the game?

And we're the blind ones? Haha, ok.

The non 'hardcores' have always had something to do. This game wouldn't haveade it this far if that wasn't true. I'm not even a HC so I should know.

It must be great to have that kind of self confidence. Pity you haven't been able to back up anything you've said in any way though.

'Because I say so' isn't exactly a convincing argument that's going to swap people to your point of view.

I'm not trying to convince you. I know you wont hear it.

[Nobleshield]

I swear, the only demands I see are from the 'hardcore' demanding content be restricted to them, even if that content being made available to others does not, will not and can not affect them in any way. This has been discussed over and over, here and elsewhere and frankly it's just pointless to even ask anymore.

This pretty much. I have never seen anyone demand that they should get all the best loot or see the content. I've seen plenty of wannabe hardcore raiders like the OP though who think they alone deserve everything because they were lucky enough to get into a good guild that is filled with quality players and constantly whine about "baddies" and "scrubs" looking almost like them.

Give this attitude a rest. The days of the super hard "stand in awe of your betters" EQ style raiding is coming to a close, whether you see it or not.