[MARKSMANSHIP]Legion Alpha Discussion

[Deleted]

hey hey azor here a tip......if your going to act like a dick to everyone then get off the forums -_-, you think your still relevant but the fact is there are many more hunters better than you so stop acting like your like some royalty.

go away and dont bother replying back to people who need help with your cocky answers, you idiot

[Azortharion]

FYI, anaconda11's post history: http://www.mmo-champion.com/search.p...rchid=30503413

[GoKs]

hey hey azor here a tip......if your going to act like a dick to everyone then get off the forums -_-, you think your still relevant but the fact is there are many more hunters better than you so stop acting like your like some royalty.

go away and dont bother replying back to people who need help with your cocky answers, you idiot

Uhm look, he may be a dick (yes i had my share of insults from and too him), but there is no debate over his knowledge of the Hunter class, so lets keep this thread to MM Hunters as a whole and not to insulting people. He is one of the top hunters, so try and learn from him (his skill in WoW, not in insulting people).

[Azortharion]

Good job feeding the troll.

https://www.twitch.tv/azortharion

In 80 minutes after this post was made.

[Youn]

I honesty wasn't too worried about his comments. I am used to a pretty abrasive set of theorycrafters. I was simply trying to figure out the math to how much we are going to be able to do. I didn't know that they upped the regeneration by that much. And since, I don't have alpha and my raid team is stuck with the toughest boss of all (attendance). I got nothing better to do.

[HopkinsBTH]

Leaving aside BM playstlye for the other topic.Now we need a stronk hitting spec because if we dint have it RLs will take some caster over hunters I will trade some of my mobility in favor to can do damage next to casters.About BM except weird gameplay atm what i saw first time is that pet react much beter to targetswap killcommand, instead to start running he just KC the target if its his range and still sits on my previous one lol.I dont know do this is a bug with blink strikes talent

I can't help but feel differently. For the longest time the reason Blizzard justified Mages taking over in the late game was our Mobility, with a spec that is geared to being a turret we should now in theory be tuned to have similar numbers as Mages, Warlocks, when the gear gets out of hand. While yes this will take away the niche of doing all the mechanics and being a add specialist, hopefully they move these traits over to another spec.

[Deleted]

Uhm look, he may be a dick (yes i had my share of insults from and too him), but there is no debate over his knowledge of the Hunter class, so lets keep this thread to MM Hunters as a whole and not to insulting people. He is one of the top hunters, so try and learn from him (his skill in WoW, not in insulting people).

whats there to learn from him, i dont want to learn from a player who is below the top 50 hunters hahahah

ohhhhhh yhhh btw azor, boatmm says hi, he showing you how to dps properly

[Azortharion]

Thanks for watching my stream.

[JacobusRex]

*just discovered Lone Wolf is now a talent* -_- well that ended that possible romance...

[HopkinsBTH]

Honestly, I would much prefer if they made the current rotation work with a reasonable level of damage, where Aimed Shot is only cast when Lock And Load is up. It is kind of similar to MM circa 4.3 where you would preferrably only use Aimed Shot when you got the instant cast proc.

Whatever makes us less of a stand-still turret spec. If MM becomes immobile, that leaves BM as the only mobile ranged spec in the game. And even then, you have to worry about pet pathing and stampede positioning. Oh, and the spec being complete and utter garbage because Celestalon has weird ideas on how focus works.

I can't help but feel differently. For the longest time the reason Blizzard justified Mages taking over in the late game was our Mobility, with a spec that is geared to being a turret we should now in theory be tuned to have similar numbers as Mages, Warlocks, when the gear gets out of hand. While yes this will take away the niche of doing all the mechanics and being a add specialist, hopefully they move these traits over to another spec.

[Bepples]

I can't help but feel differently. For the longest time the reason Blizzard justified Mages taking over in the late game was our Mobility, with a spec that is geared to being a turret we should now in theory be tuned to have similar numbers as Mages, Warlocks, when the gear gets out of hand. While yes this will take away the niche of doing all the mechanics and being a add specialist, hopefully they move these traits over to another spec.

I really don't care about the damage. If I wanted to do the highest single-target damage in the game, I would roll a mage. If I wanted to do good damage while handling mechanics excellently, I would roll a hunter. I prefer the latter. I do NOT want for hunters to be turned into mages. There are enough immobile ranged turret specs in the game already; hunters are the only real exception. Now that's being brought down to just BM, and even if that spec weren't utter shit there is still a dependency on boss positioning due to Stampede. So that mechanics niche that hunters filled so excellently, especially since Cataclysm, will now be over...so I can do a bit more damage?

If you want a single-target tunnelling ranged spec there are plenty of those already. For people like me who prefer full mobility we have absolutely ZERO choice in Legion. So kindly go shit up another ranged spec instead of Marksman if you want to tunnel so badly.

[HopkinsBTH]

I really don't care about the damage. If I wanted to do the highest single-target damage in the game, I would roll a mage. If I wanted to do good damage while handling mechanics excellently, I would roll a hunter. I prefer the latter. I do NOT want for hunters to be turned into mages. There are enough immobile ranged turret specs in the game already; hunters are the only real exception. Now that's being brought down to just BM, and even if that spec weren't utter shit there is still a dependency on boss positioning due to Stampede. So that mechanics niche that hunters filled so excellently, especially since Cataclysm, will now be over...so I can do a bit more damage?

If you want a single-target tunnelling ranged spec there are plenty of those already. For people like me who prefer full mobility we have absolutely ZERO choice in Legion. So kindly go shit up another ranged spec instead of Marksman if you want to tunnel so badly.

To be fair, for half the time hunters have been around we have not had the unlimited mobility that defines us now. Personally I started playing a hunter back in BC and Wrath, Until focus we were far more well rounded on the side of not just being mechanic %&%$es. It seems blizzard is trying to move in the direction the one class doesn't have the load of every mechanic job in the game. I don't have a problem with this. I'm sure their will still be fights were we need to do certain mechanic jobs, but now it shouldn't be all of them. Personally I think the problem is more that BM is crap and they got rid of SV as it was.

Personally I always felt MM should have been the Turret Spec
SV the movement mechanic spec
BM the cleave tweener spec.
But with SV becoming mele this leaves an unfortunate hole were neither type of hunter will ever fully be pleased.

[Keyimin]

It seems blizzard is trying to move in the direction the one class doesn't have the load of every mechanic job in the game. I don't have a problem with this. I'm sure their will still be fights were we need to do certain mechanic jobs, but now it shouldn't be all of them.

That's easily accomplished from nerfing/culling our utility. The change to deterrence alone removes hunters from tons of "soaking" mechanics jobs. They don't need to take our mobility for that. I agree with FpicEail's sentiment on this.

I spent 8 months playing a boring as fuck MM rotation that was only made even remotely fun to me because I always had a specific "job" as a hunter, despite RIP our mastery if we had to move a lot. I refuse to deal with a similar form of stupidity in Legion. I was really looking forward to going back to BM in Legion, but if it remains in the horrific state it's currently in along with this version of MM and melee SV, I'll probably just say fuck it and roll a Demo Lock (or one of the other ranged specs that are looking a bazillion times better to me atm).

And yes, I realize plenty will disagree, but that's just my opinion and personal feelings on the matter.

[Youn]

The only time I have ever seen a pet banned from the raid is Devilsaur on Sartharion in the beginning. And that was only because an enraged Devilsaur completely covered the melee and the void circles. Making it a touch difficult to complete the encounter with all dead melee. Funny. but slightly annoying.

[Deleted]

*just discovered Lone Wolf is now a talent* -_- well that ended that possible romance...

I just hope they won't change it back to "+30% on 3 skills", or did they do that already? Because +30, or 35% on everything is amazing.

[Jin]

I got my pet banned during vanilla, it was a bat, that love to screech the melees ears off... anyway bit OT xD

[Deleted]

Do Sidewinders replace Arcane Shot?

[Deleted]

Do Sidewinders replace Arcane Shot?

Yes, even says so in the Wowhead talent calculator.

[Deleted]

Yes, even says so in the Wowhead talent calculator.

Doesn't for me, that's why I asked. =/ Thx tho.

[Deleted]

Doesn't for me, that's why I asked. =/ Thx tho.

http://legion.wowhead.com/talent-cal...r/marksmanship



Usually better than the WoWDB calc you're using.