"Am I a cat?" - University students respond

[spinner981]

So, without further ado, is this person a male or a female?

It's not the fault of sane humanity when people are using surgery to try and make themselves look like someone that they aren't.

[Elim Garak]

The accepted treatment for the "mental illness" that Trans people have is allowing them to transition...

i.e no treatment. That's like saying that accepted treatment for schizophrenia is to transition into "me, myself and I" paradigm. Or accepted treatment of cancer is to go with it.

[Yadryonych]

Again, you are focusing on the end result which is irrelevant to what we discuss here. The core of the issue is the same no matter what they pretend to be. They pretend to be something they are not. It doesn't matter what it is they are pretending to be as long as their rights and treatment are concerned. They are free to pretend. It's the same thing, no matter what it is they are pretending to be.

Now when they try to act accordingly, that's another issue. Clearly if someone pretends to be a nuke - they are not allowed to go boom. But if someone pretends to be a cactus they are free to stick out in a desert.

Problem starts when they demand to be treated as they pretend, an then the Government joins their side and obliges you to treat a person as an attack helicopter, despite it is obvious the person is not. This is what video about: it is wrong what people are obliged to deny reality no matter how far it goes

[Leih]

All three are mental disorders that need to be treated.

Just like being gay!

We need to round these outliers up and condition them into behaving like the rest of the normals. It's the only way to cure them.

[May90]

Can't say as there's far too much makeup and plastic surgery adaption in this world anymore, nor am interested in finding out. Probably neither, and therefore ultimately irrelevant. You don't base society around the outliers, you base it on the traditional, predictable and repeatable and the outliers move through that making sure not to disrupt the workings so it all continues to exist.

There is no need to guess; almost any person in a social situation will see her as a female. So what does it matter what she was born as and what chromosomes she has? She is a woman, it is as clear as day - just look at her face. She is not an outlier either, just a minority.

It's not the fault of sane humanity when people are using surgery to try and make themselves look like someone that they aren't.

*sighs* You can say that about any cosmetic cream, or a lipstick, or hair paint. Do you say that? Something tells me not.

[apples]

i.e no treatment. That's like saying that accepted treatment for schizophrenia is to transition into "me, myself and I" paradigm. Or accepted treatment of cancer is to go with it.

so what does society do when there is no treatment?

cuse this is a real actual issue that society currently believes the answer to be: berate them until they go away

[Leih]

Problem starts when they demand to be treated as they pretend, an then the Government joins their side and obliges you to treat a person as an attack helicopter, despite it is obvious the person is not. This is what video about: it is wrong what people are obliged to deny reality no matter how far it goes

If you want to go through years of difficult therapy, drugs and surgery to physically become an attack helicopter, I'll be happy to treat you as one. Until then, it's not the same thing.

[Jotaux]

So women need the privacy to not have men in bathrooms at all, but men pulling their dicks out in the open to pee in a urinal is fine?

Even then I have never seen a dick in the mens bathroom.

[Deleted]

So, without further ado, is this person a male or a female?

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Speaking of your question, I was actually wondering, this whole transgender stuff creates an issue. I'll best explain it with a picture:


This is Andrej Pejic. Born a male but looked quite a lot like a woman, and with the right make-up he actually did look like a woman. Yet, since he was a man, such pictures as the one I posted were ok.

However, in 2014 he went gender surgery to become transgender. Would that make the picture I posted porn because him (now her) nipples are showing?

[Fairybolt]

Just like being gay!

We need to round these outliers up and condition them into behaving like the rest of the normals. It's the only way to cure them.

The irony being that I'd be willing to bet none of those posting here have gotten beyond psych 101.

[spinner981]

So women need the privacy to not have men in bathrooms at all, but men pulling their dicks out in the open to pee in a urinal is fine?

No i think we are all grown ups who have lived with the opposite sex, and could deal with it just fine if society and ourselves for that matter didn't tell us it was really scary.

Well first off, no not everyone who uses public restrooms are grown ups. Second, there is a difference between privacy from the same sex and privacy from the opposite sex. You seem to just be making up your own rhetoric of how you think things should be, for the sole purpose of pushing your agenda.

[Elim Garak]

and if the disorder is permanent?

Tough luck, they will have to suffer then. It's way better than forcing all the other people to pander to a few people with such permanent issues, don't you think?

[Elim Garak]

so what does society do when there is no treatment?

cuse this is a real actual issue that society currently believes the answer to be: berate them until they go away

What society always have done. What is best for it.

[May90]

Speaking of your question, I was actually wondering, this whole transgender stuff creates an issue. I'll best explain it with a picture:


This is Andrej Pejic. Born a male but looked quite a lot like a woman, and with the right make-up he actually did look like a woman. Yet, since he was a man, such pictures as the one I posted were ok.

However, in 2014 he went gender surgery to become transgender. Would that make the picture I posted porn because him (now her) nipples are showing?

Since the picture is taken at the time before the surgery - no. Nor do I think it would be porn even if it was shot today. Nipples don't make porn yet.

[Deleted]

It's not the fault of sane humanity when people are using surgery to try and make themselves look like someone that they aren't.

Someone they are*. Also, no one will ever be able to tell in such cases that the person is Trans - makes things much easier.

[apples]

What society always have done. What is best for it.

thats a non answer, just say that you dont know next time

lol

[Elim Garak]

That's not the accepted treatment for either of those, so you can see how what you are saying is a flimsy straw man, yes?

No strawman. My statement that there is no treatment. And the examples are just to demonstrate how silly it is to call the current "treatment" a treatment.

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thats a non answer, just say that you dont know next time

lol

No one knows what's best for society

[spinner981]

*sighs* You can say that about any cosmetic cream, or a lipstick, or hair paint. Do you say that? Something tells me not.

Women using make-up to make themselves look better is different from using make-up and plastic surgery to make a man look like a woman. Of course this is all beside the point where it has nothing to do with the disorder where people think that they are the opposite sex.

Someone they aren't*. Also, no one will ever be able to tell in such cases that the person is Trans - makes things much easier.

Still doesn't make it not a disorder. You can dress up a raccoon to make it look like a cat, but that doesn't make it not a raccoon.

[Sinyc]

Yes... but then you go into the other question she asked. If she feels like a 7 year old and wants to attend school again and date 7 year olds would you respond the same? That's the whole point, why is it ok to entertain a lie about gender based on someone's illusions?

I will admit I didn't watch the whole thing, but I don't think you can identify as a younger person. Logically it makes no sense. Saying you identify as a woman because you feel like you should have been a woman is understandable, and honestly why do you care what anyone else does.

The 7 year old thing is silly and probably just to see who would go along with it.

[apples]

No strawman. My statement that there is no treatment. And the examples are just to demonstrate how silly it is to call the current "treatment" a treatment.

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No one knows what's best for society

dafk

people dictate social policy all the time

saying that the only answer to an issue is to "wait and see" or "let other people figure it out" is not an answer to a question

and when talking about an issue its completely possible, and rude to not, discuss possible answers to problems