[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

[hrugner]

He can stay in. Don't think I've said otherwise. But continuing his campaign doesn't mean it isn't essentially over. The idea that Hillary will get less than 35% of the vote in CA and NJ (where she is predicted to win) is absurd . That's all that matters. Super-delegates arent going to overturn the will of the voters and closing the gap in "garbage time" doesn't matter.

Sorry, that comment is more for the hilariously math illiterate "losing by an historic margin" folks. Whether or not his campaign is essentially over he has over come a media blackout to be in a position to shift the democratic party toward him by modifying the democratic party platform. Win or lose, I'm very satisfied with how things have worked out so far. Now it's just a matter of squashing various trolls promoting inner party discord and getting things moving again.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-us...-idUSKCN0YE2IH

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I actually applaud Bernies bravery for trying to set up a fox news debate.

Clinton, on the other hand, would never be seen on TV being asked tough questions...

It could be interesting. Most of the people I know personally who support her are republicans so it could honestly work out in her favor.

[Pterodactylus]

Yes, my 20-year study of electoral trends and associated mathematics/psychology backed up by a consistent record of betting success and accurate prediction, makes me somehow less informed than some random corporate sycophant.

Can I get your autograph?

[Dextroden]

Yeah, the vote is something like 46% 54% at the moment. However, a lot of independents have not gotten to vote. And then there's all the fun hijinks of the DNC.

Question. Do you know what independent means? Because it looks like you mean left leaning voters, not independents.

[adaker777]

Think Hilary should still debate him

[Sargerasraider]

He can stay in. Don't think I've said otherwise. But continuing his campaign doesn't mean it isn't essentially over. The idea that Hillary will get less than 35% of the vote in CA and NJ (where she is predicted to win) is absurd . That's all that matters. Super-delegates arent going to overturn the will of the voters and closing the gap in "garbage time" doesn't matter.

The actual election may be the direct reverse of what Bernie needs. Hillary up 57-39% in California in the most recent poll. But, you know, it's just a conspiracy.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...mary-5321.html

[Matchles]

Moreover, how would you square lobbying bans with the 1st amendment? The whole point is that you are supposed to be able to complain to your representatives. That lobbyists do your complaining in return for money is not a distinction when it comes to the 1st amendment. We should want our representatives to reflect the interests of the people (even special interests!).

Exactly! I do think many people forget that for every big bank lobbyist there is one for green energy or teachers.

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So is it aluminum foil, or tin foil?

You know when you just parrot back any zingers, it kind of takes the effectiveness away.

[Zeth Hawkins]

You know when you just parrot back any zingers, it kind of takes the effectiveness away.

So it's only fine if you do it? Yep, saw that coming.

[Dextroden]

The actual election may be the direct reverse of what Bernie needs. Hillary up 57-39% in California in the most recent poll. But, you know, it's just a conspiracy.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...mary-5321.html

Question of the now. If Hillary is polled to win but Bernie wins, does that mean his side committed fraud or rigging?

[Matchles]

So it's only fine if you do it? Yep, saw that coming.

Can you play the victim a little more?

[Zeth Hawkins]

Can you play the victim a little more?

Ooh, someone sure doesn't like having their hypocrisy pointed out. Now I see why you're voting for Hillary. It's not policy, she reminds you of yourself.

[Deleted]

As much as I would take Bernie over Trump or Hillary; he certainly has a lot of fairy tale beliefs. Some of his beliefs and policies would bankrupt the US. He also seems too have some hatred for the successful and capitalism...or at least most of the Bernie boys do.

The belief that capitalism rewards the successful suggests you are the one with the fairy tale beliefs.

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Ooh, someone sure doesn't like having their hypocrisy pointed out. Now I see why you're voting for Hillary. It's not policy, she reminds you of yourself.

Seriously, why the fuck would any one vote for a candidate who could easily stand as a republican?, and probably would if it advantaged her in some way? What is the point? What possible reason could any one have for doing that?

[Sargerasraider]

Question of the now. If Hillary is polled to win but Bernie wins, does that mean his side committed fraud or rigging?

Remember, this is how the primary works:

[Tragedia]

I'm glad Bernie Sanders has come against the oversight board for Puerto Rico. Wish Hillary had done the same.

[Matchles]

Ooh, someone sure doesn't like having their hypocrisy pointed out. Now I see why you're voting for Hillary. It's not policy, she reminds you of yourself.

You give yourself a bit too much credit. I couldn't care less what you say. I'm laughing half the time I reply to you.

[Deleted]

Question. Do you know what independent means? Because it looks like you mean left leaning voters, not independents.

No no, I mean all independents, both left and right leaning. See, the right leaning independents don't really care for Trump, but they don't really care for Hillary either. The hatred for Hillary is much bigger than the disgust of Trump, so if they have to choose between Hillary and Trump, they'll go for Trump, along with a lot of left leaning independents.

I mean let's face it. Nobody likes Hillary. Everyone knows she's a liar and a fake. The people voting for her are just doing so because they've been scared shitless by the bogeyman of socialism, a completely unfounded fear, no less. "What? Socialism!? No no! Not me! I'M WITH HER! *points at Hillary*"

It's a sad fate for Hillary, though. All that time, hoping for the presidency, thinking it's her turn now, then to be shot down, forever, by Trump, and go out of the race as the second most hated presidential nominee in the history of polling. When she fails this second run, that's it for her. She'll never be president. Too old.

I suppose you might argue that that's Bernie's fault, but in truth, it's hers, for being such a god-awful human being. The truth is, she just was never cut out to be the president. Sure, she has experience and knowledge and definitely can lie to people left and right, but she can't lead, because leadership requires that the people trust and respect you, and people just don't trust and definitely don't respect her.

[Dextroden]

No no, I mean all independents, both left and right leaning. See, the right leaning independents don't really care for Trump, but they don't really care for Hillary either. The hatred for Hillary is much bigger than the disgust of Trump, so if they have to choose between Hillary and Trump, they'll go for Trump, along with a lot of left leaning independents.

I mean let's face it. Nobody likes Hillary. Everyone knows she's a liar and a fake. The people voting for her are just doing so because they've been scared shitless by the bogeyman of socialism, a completely unfounded fear, no less. "What? Socialism!? No no! Not me! I'M WITH HER! *points at Hillary*"

It's a sad fate for Hillary, though. All that time, hoping for the presidency, thinking it's her turn now, then to be shot down, forever, by Trump, and go out of the race as the second most hated presidential nominee in the history of polling. When she fails this second run, that's it for her. She'll never be president. Too old.

I suppose you might argue that that's Bernie's fault, but in truth, it's hers, for being such a god-awful human being. The truth is, she just was never cut out to be the president. Sure, she has experience and knowledge and definitely can lie to people left and right, but she can't lead, because leadership requires that the people trust and respect you, and people just don't trust and definitely don't respect her.

I really love the fanfictions people have whipped up for this election cycle.

Bernie getting the nomination and winning the general.
Hillary losing the general and being jailed.
Trump arresting all the Mexicans and being assassinated.

I really love the imagination. But moving on. There are plenty of people abstaining that would never vote for Bernie in a million years. I am one. I don't like Hillary or Trump and, as such, will not vote for either. However, I will tolerate either of them as president.

I want nothing to do with a man that far up in the clouds with his ideas while basically ignoring the amounts needed to make such a pipe dream work. One who basically has zero idea of how a primary system works l. And one who, if by some fever dream won, has breed such open hostility against the party he latched on to for visibility, that it would be ensured a faction of Democrats would oppose him. Cross that with typical Republican opposition and bye bye apple pie in the sky hopes.

[Myta]

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It's been the greatest political game played by the Hillary camp to convince you that Bernie's plans are unviable while trying to make you ignore that the US pays more in quantitative easing (basically corporate welfare) in one month than Bernie's education plan costs in one year. That the US spends more on it's military than the next 5 countries put together. That most Walmart employees have to take welfare and food stamps while it's executives cut salaries and give themselves higher raises. It's a wonderfully tailored lie that the richest country in the history of the human race cannot sustain it's schools while giving trillions to people who cut hundreds of thousands of jobs.

For most of the world this is schadenfreude to watch the US crumble after it's greed nearly destroyed the world economy and plunged the entire planet into a depression. Most of the world is witnessing the fall of Rome in real time.

[Sargerasraider]

It's been the greatest political game played by the Hillary camp to convince you that Bernie's plans are unviable while trying to make you ignore that the US pays more in quantitative easing (basically corporate welfare) in one month than Bernie's education plan costs in one year. That the US spends more on it's military than the next 5 countries put together. That most Walmart employees have to take welfare and food stamps while it's executives cut salaries and give themselves higher raises. It's a wonderfully tailored lie that the richest country in the history of the human race cannot sustain it's schools while giving trillions to people who cut hundreds of thousands of jobs.

For most of the world this is schadenfreude to watch the US crumble after it's greed nearly destroyed the world economy and plunged the entire planet into a depression. Most of the world is witnessing the fall of Rome in real time.

You really don't seem to know what quantitative easing is. As a second note, Bernie's education plan is tiny compared to some of his other proposals.

[Myta]

You really don't seem to know what quantitative easing is. As a second note, Bernie's education plan is tiny compared to some of his other proposals.

Not that I'm advocating for the US to adopt this, but just food for thought: The cost to go completely green, establish solar panels 5sq miles and achieve oil independance, put every single adult person in the US on a standard living wage, free college tuition is like 1/16th of the US's annual GDP. And most of this investment pays itself back, as a Govt. paying into tuition is one of the highest returns on investment a country can make.

You seem to live in this dream world where no politician ever lies, where humans are not innately greedy. Will this every happen? No. Will Bernie ever be president? No. It's precisely because he could do this means that he will never will be. The human condition is one of war and greed, and I really doubt we could ever live in a true utopia. But what the US is headed for right now is a corporate dystopia that would make Orwell blush.

Let's just hope the human race survives long enough to establish off world colonies before the US and the world economy collapses from it.

[Matchles]

Well once again when more people are allowed to participate Clinton wins. After Sanders won the Washington caucus 73-27. Clinton wins the primary in Washington tonight. It was 54-46 with 75% reporting.

230,000 turned out in the Washington caucus.

Over 650,000 have been counted so far for the primary.

But the caucus is the only one that counts. So Sanders can stop bitching about the Washington super delegates supporting Clinton any time now.