"Like us on Facebook OR else ..."

[Azadina]

Like =/= friend for anyone who doesn't use Facebook. Like allows them to post information to you, while giving them nothing but visibility. You can disable their posts if you wish.

It says to friend the community right there in the addendum paper?

[Ayla]

I'm no lawyer but from what I remember from business law is some sort of consideration has to be offered in order to change the terms of a contract.

I do not believe this is true, just both parties have to agree to the change. Consideration is needed for only the contract to be legal at the start. However, it does require legality of object or, to do something legal, which this may or may not be. I go with no, but I also am no lawyer

[Jotaux]

I do not believe this is true, just both parties have to agree to the change. Consideration is needed for only the contract to be legal at the start. However, it does require legality of object or, to do something legal, which this may or may not be. I go with no, but I also am no lawyer

I think the example we were given in class was that a contractor asked for more time to complete a job and they originally said yes. Afterward they took him to court and won because nothing was offered in exchange for altering the contract. I don't know, the business law course was 6 years ago.

Here is what I found for the US but it sounds the same as what we were taught in Canada:

The legal duty rule does not apply if the parties mutually agree to change the terms of the contract. For example, the homeowner and contractor could agree to modify their contract to include a new window for the bathroom at an additional cost of $1000. Alternatively, the parties could agree not to perform part of the contract for a $500 reduction in the price. Both modifications to the original contract would be enforceable because there was consideration for each.[1] The legal duty rule protects one party when the other is trying to unilaterally change the terms of the agreement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-existing_duty_rule

[Ayla]

I think the example we were given in class was that a contractor asked for more time to complete a job and they originally said yes. Afterward they took him to court and won because nothing was offered in exchange for altering the contract. I don't know, the business law course was 6 years ago.

eehh you never know how courts will rule and when judges get all pissy. There are a hundred reasons why that could be.

[Azadina]

I do not believe this is true, just both parties have to agree to the change. Consideration is needed for only the contract to be legal at the start. However, it does require legality of object or, to do something legal, which this may or may not be. I go with no, but I also am no lawyer

Few apartments ago, the apartment was being sold to a new owner, and the first thing the new owner would have done is raise the rent considerably. I wouldn't have to agree with it, but also means the time in that apartment would have been up in 6 months. So no, the tenant doesn't have to agree on the updated policies, if they don't feel like wanting to stay after the time is up. Whatever the time is in different places.

I moved out before it happened anyways, I was honestly tired of having random people trample the apartment every few days looking at it, considering whether to buy or not. I don't want strangers in my home as if it's some store, with me having no say in it.

[Ayla]

Few apartments ago, the apartment was being sold to a new owner, and the first thing the new owner would have done is raise the rent considerably. I wouldn't have to agree with it, but also means the time in that apartment would have been up in 6 months. So no, the tenant doesn't have to agree on the updated policies, if they don't feel like wanting to stay after the time is up. Whatever the time is in different places.

I moved out before it happened anyways, I was honestly tired of having random people trample the apartment every few days looking at it, considering whether to buy or not. I don't want strangers in my home as if it's some store, with me having no say in it.

See that's not legal where I live. New owners must accept your lease as is, unless they intend to use the property for their own use or for an immediate family member parent or child only. Upon sale and notice of their use I have two full months to move out, with a free month rent. Also people just can't come through as they please, 72 hours notice is required and I don't have to leave. They also can't block off a few days and come in and out accordingly.

[Jotaux]

I would love to raise what I am charging for rent because of the vacancy rates being so low, but there are laws against it.

[Azadina]

See that's not legal where I live. New owners must accept your lease as is, unless they intend to use the property for their own use or for an immediate family member parent or child only.

They have to, but only for the time until you can be thrown out, which is 6-12 months, depending on how long you've lived in the apartment. So if they say "guess what, rent just went up" then you can agree, or the time starts ticking.

[WskyDK]

Can't change the terms of a person's lease after it's been signed.
The new tenants will have to deal with it though.

EDIT: Also, it's not too much work to just friend them, and then block all their posts, and bloc them from seeing anything you post.
EDIT 2: A person can't sign away other people's rights (Allowing the apartments to use photos of friends)

[xChurch]

Facebook? Man their really out of touch, if you're gonna piss off your tenants for friend requests at least go for Instagram or snapchat jeeze.

[abracmike]

Can't change the terms of a person's lease after it's been signed.
The new tenants will have to deal with it though.

EDIT: Also, it's not too much work to just friend them, and then block all their posts, and bloc them from seeing anything you post.

Problem being, I do not have, and refuse to have a Facebook account at all though...

[May90]

and Im pretty sure those aren't legal either. WTB contract lawyer.

I'm no lawyer but from what I remember from business law is some sort of consideration has to be offered in order to change the terms of a contract.

I don't know much about the US/Canada laws on this matter... But can't the same clause in the lease contract be as, say, in some EULAs for software or video games, in which the owner explicitly states that they are free to apply forced patches/updates without asking the user's permission? Can't the landlord specify some kind of "forced" addendums similarly?

[Azadina]

Also people just can't come through as they please, 72 hours notice is required and I don't have to leave. They also can't block off a few days and come in and out accordingly.

I was given one day notice at best, and at worst an hour before the apartment is flooded with randoms. The sales person felt like showing each potential customer and their families separately, so it was alot of visits, and really got on my nerves enough to move out regardless.

[Ayla]

They have to, but only for the time until you can be thrown out, which is 6-12 months, depending on how long you've lived in the apartment. So if they say "guess what, rent just went up" then you can agree, or the time starts ticking.

That really sucks, but shows how different laws can be. Here you can only increase rent by 2.9% each year, unless you apply for more via the government. Which you had better have a good damned reason to do so.

[Jotaux]

I don't know much about the US/Canada laws on this matter... But can't the same clause in the lease contract be as, say, in some EULAs for software or video games, in which the owner explicitly states that they are free to apply forced patches/updates without asking the user's permission? Can't the landlord specify some kind of "forced" addendums similarly?

EULAs are not legally binding afaik. Theres a reason Valve owns DOTA 2 even though DOTA was made with the warcraft 3 map editor which has a EULA stating that everything made with it is the property of blizzard.

[WskyDK]

Problem being, I do not have, and refuse to have a Facebook account at all though...

That's not a problem. If your lease is signed, this addendum is unenforceable as long as you don't sign.

[dextersmith]

They can't add things to contracts after the fact without consent.

[May90]

EULAs are not legally binding afaik. Theres a reason Valve owns DOTA 2 even though DOTA was made with the warcraft 3 map editor which has a EULA stating that everything made with it is the property of blizzard.

Interesting, I didn't know that. But regardless, the laws for property rentals might be different from the laws for software licensing, so, I guess, we need to ask professional lawyers whether what the landlord has done is legal or not.

[WskyDK]

I don't know much about the US/Canada laws on this matter... But can't the same clause in the lease contract be as, say, in some EULAs for software or video games, in which the owner explicitly states that they are free to apply forced patches/updates without asking the user's permission? Can't the landlord specify some kind of "forced" addendums similarly?

*Not a lawyer or law-related professional*
Not a fucking chance. When we rent our second house to folks, it's a nightmare (think court orders and police escorts) to get anything done or changed without the tenants approval. Once both parties sign a contract, it cannot be changed unless both parties agree to the change (or legal interventions take place).

[Azadina]

That really sucks, but shows how different laws can be. Here you can only increase rent by 2.9% each year, unless you apply for more via the government. Which you had better have a good damned reason to do so.

There are limits here too on how much it can be raised yearly, but new owner can set their rent rate as far as I heard. Met the new owner before moving out, and it was immediately clear from their talk it would be a considerable increase. 20-30% or so. The old owner had never bothered adjusting the rent, so it was relatively cheap.