Legion - Outlaw Discussion

[Wow]

I think they have given up on the idea of niche specs, so maybe they buff single target a little more for Outlaw. But another single target buff for Outlaw may be too much and it makes it a problem for the other two specs because of Blade Flurry.

Blade flurry isn't anywhere as strong as live and assassin and sub aoe are miles above what they are on live. And if combat is to be a choice it needs aoe and st buffs atm which buffing it's st would cover both.

[ribthanwa]

Blade flurry isn't anywhere as strong as live and assassin and sub aoe are miles above what they are on live. And if combat is to be a choice it needs aoe and st buffs atm which buffing it's st would cover both.

blade flurry is LITERALLY the exact same as live. what are you talking about

[elfporn]

blade flurry is LITERALLY the exact same as live. what are you talking about

no multistrike means the bulk of blade flurry's damage is gone. No more poisons proccing multistrikes proccing bf or however the attacks stacked.

[Deleted]

blade flurry is LITERALLY the exact same as live. what are you talking about

A major portion of Blade Flurry's damage was from wound, multistrike, and would-multistrike hits. Without these two Blade Flurry will not be as strong as it is on live.

[Wow]

blade flurry is LITERALLY the exact same as live. what are you talking about

Blade flurry is but what about the spec that made it so strong isn't.

Combat lost auto attacks that can't miss, instant poison, Multistrike, deep insight. The loss of these ripped a lot of it's aoe power from it and it's not even guaranteed to have a attack speed buff up on aoe with rtb.

More or less the spec stopped being an auto attack bot and being able to time a 50% dmg buff and it's aoe power went way down.

[Xanatu]

Has anyone found a use for this spec? The DPS from rupture only is stronger than outlaw (not an exaggeration).

[RobertoCarlos]

Has anyone found a use for this spec? The DPS from rupture only is stronger than outlaw (not an exaggeration).

You can expect a nerf to assass and a buff to outlaw before 7.0

[Wow]

You can expect a nerf to assass and a buff to outlaw before 7.0

Probably see a outlaw buffs but assassin nerfs idk.

[Deleted]

You can expect a nerf to assass and a buff to outlaw before 7.0

Outlaw does need a bit of a buff, but if they nerf assassination then they have to nerf all other classes/specs that put out about the same numbers, and its a lot of them.

[Shekora]

Do you guys think they really will buff Outlaw? It's fun to play but it feels like they're being given the Combat role of that spec that nobody should main, which is sad because it's a lot of fun.

[XZlayeD]

First of all The new build seems to have nerfed the build even further - There must be some other build underway that has some other balance changes in order for them to have felt the need to nerf an ability that already hits for about half of what it should in order to compete with other classes currently.

Second it appears they didn't even nerf rupture, for assa, but went for the poisons instead, which is their weakest build currently. I'm simply not seeing what it is they're currently trying to achieve with these build changes.

[Deleted]

Ok so in presence of outlaw being weak in everything, from aoe, burst aoe, single target, burst st, they nerf it even more.

Yeah i can understand that.

[Deleted]

Ok so in presence of outlaw being weak in everything, from aoe, burst aoe, single target, burst st, they nerf it even more.

Yeah i can understand that.

At the start of WoD, MM Hunter was the highest damage spec in the entire game, and BM was the lowest.

So they nerfed BM.

Don't try to understand Blizzard, it's impossible.

[Mafic]

I guess they really want to force SnD for PVE...IF that is the case why is it a talent?

[XZlayeD]

I guess they really want to force SnD for PVE...IF that is the case why is it a talent?

I can still consistently have higher dps with RtB than I can with SnD, so that doesn't seem to be the case albiet it's a LOT easier to play with just SnD

Right now in 845 ilvl gear with equal artefact power i can do about 180k dps as outlaw and about 260k dps as assa. it drops to about 170-175 with SnD, and with really good RtB rolls i can do 200k consistently. This is all over a 100m dmg done timeframe.

[elfporn]

I guess they really want to force SnD for PVE...IF that is the case why is it a talent?

They actually gave a reason and a heads up on the snd change, it got buffed back to 100% because they buffed rtb by changing jolly roger to a dps talent (while nerfing grand melee )

[XZlayeD]

They actually gave a reason and a heads up on the snd change, it got buffed back to 100% because they buffed rtb by changing jolly roger to a dps talent (while nerfing grand melee )

Grand melee didn't intentionally get nerfed. it's supposed to be a 40% attack speed, 20% leech, but right now it's 20% attack speed and 40% leech

Source: can be found in us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743706238?page=24#463

[Hexxidecimal]

Grand melee didn't intentionally get nerfed. it's supposed to be a 40% attack speed, 20% leech, but right now it's 20% attack speed and 40% leech

Source: can be found in us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743706238?page=24#463

But for some god forsaken reason they NERFED Run Through....outlaw, consistently the lowest damage spec even with really good RtB results. What in the actual fuck?

[Zoyt]

But for some god forsaken reason they NERFED Run Through....outlaw, consistently the lowest damage spec even with really good RtB results. What in the actual fuck?

Yep also nurfed Saber Slash and Swordmaster great changes......

[XZlayeD]

Yep also nurfed Saber Slash and Swordmaster great changes......

Either they're attempting to balance everyone around that damage level, or the legendary bracer usage is so strong they'd been forced to balance around it, however i doubt that even the 3m+ crits from the item will be able to change discrepancy.

Also they Still havn't adressed the aoe issues seeing as we don't have poisons, multistrike and 100% hitchance any longer, These changes has created a very very undertuned aoe pressence for outlaw.