Sweden : Rape done by immigrant ain't that bad

[Total Crica]

I get it, you're an Islamophobe (which indeed isn't technically racism)

You're still saying refugees are like animals and come from a culture where raping women is normal (spoiler alert: it isn't and they don't) - they're just "savages who don't know better"

You just dehumanised them utterly, took away all their human agency, it's disgusting and bigoted of you to think that way

i did none of that, though I understand why you think I did, its because you don't understand what I am saying, if you wish, I could try to help you understand what I am saying?

[Deleted]

i did none of that, though I understand why you think I did, its because you don't understand what I am saying, if you wish, I could try to help you understand what I am saying?

That was exactly what you said, repeatedly in several posts; it wasn't even ambiguous:

"how can you accuse someone of rape if their culture doesn't consider what they have done to be rape? that's like telling a bee that stung you it did a bad thing...the bee does not believe stinging you is a bad thing... [...] if you did not understand that a bee doesn't realize it doesn't need to sting you, you might try to wipe out all bees instead of just trying to avoid being stung by bees..."

You're saying refugees are like animals who don't know right from wrong, that they are just "savages" who lack human agency and morality - this is pretty much as racist as it gets

You'll pretend you didn't say it and didn't mean it that way, and you're not a racist, but you did, and you are

[Total Crica]

That was exactly what you said, repeatedly in several posts; it wasn't even ambiguous:

"how can you accuse someone of rape if their culture doesn't consider what they have done to be rape? that's like telling a bee that stung you it did a bad thing...the bee does not believe stinging you is a bad thing... [...] if you did not understand that a bee doesn't realize it doesn't need to sting you, you might try to wipe out all bees instead of just trying to avoid being stung by bees..."

You're saying refugees are like animals who don't know right from wrong, that they lack human agency and morality - this is pretty much as racist as it gets

You'll pretend you didn't say it and didn't mean it that way, and you're not a racist, but you did, and you are

i did say exactly what you quoted, but not what you understood it to mean, you simply don't understand what I posted, that's all, would you like to understand me? I could help you if you wish? you still think race has something to do with culture, that is where we can start - race has nothing to do with culture - there, does that help you understand me more?

[stabetha]

I get it, you're an Islamophobe (which indeed isn't technically racism)

You're still saying refugees are like animals and come from a culture where raping women is normal (spoiler alert: it isn't and they don't) - they're just "savages who don't know better"

You just dehumanised them utterly, took away all their human agency, it's disgusting and bigoted of you to think that way

the left and their racism of low expectations.

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i did say exactly what you quoted, but not what you understood it to mean, you simply don't understand what I posted, that's all, would you like to understand me? I could help you if you wish? you still think race has something to do with culture, that is where we can start - race has nothing to do with culture - there, does that help you understand me more?

cultural racism is still racism.

[Total Crica]

the left and their racism of low expectations.

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cultural racism is still racism.

race is about the color of a persons skin so no, culture has nothing to do with race since culture is about a communities belief system

[stabetha]

race is about the color of a persons skin so no, culture has nothing to do with race since culture is about a communities belief system

race is not just 'the color of someones skin"

race
noun
Definition of race
1
: a breeding stock of animals
2
a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

[Total Crica]

race is not just 'the color of someones skin"

a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethnicity_vs_Race

"Race refers to a person's physical characteristics, such as bone structure and skin, hair, or eye color. Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(...ategorization)

"Race, as a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics."

[stabetha]

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ethnicity_vs_Race

"Race refers to a person's physical characteristics, such as bone structure and skin, hair, or eye color. Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(...ategorization)

"Race, as a social construct, is a group of people who share similar and distinct physical characteristics."

merriam-webster-
race
noun
Definition of race
1
: a breeding stock of animals
2
a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

Cultural racism is a term used in scientific research to describe a specific type of racism which developed from the generally known form of racism, which is "biological racism". "Cultural racism" is used by the UN, the swedish Equality Ombudsman and in the scientific world to describe some racist ideologies, ideas, reasoning, arguments, and notions.[1] Citations are made in terms of ideology "culture shock" and that cultural differences legitimize exclusion and discrimination based on racial notions and ranking of culture as higher and lower in relation to each other. Examples of such notions and arguments that are included in these citations could be "many immigrants don't go to work, and engage in tax evasion", "many Gypsies have a cultural predisposition to steal", "Muslims have a lot of children, take over our country, and evade our culture" and "all Americans are idiots".

[Total Crica]

race
noun
Definition of race
1
: a breeding stock of animals
2
a : a family, tribe, people, or nation belonging to the same stock
b : a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics

Thank you, this is where understanding others comes in handy! My understanding of race is simply physical features, yours is broader then that, and our understanding is based on our CULTURE. I was taught by MY culture that RACE is not as broad a definition as you would have it to be, that was taught by YOUR culture. Understanding others is paramount in what I meant by my metaphor.

[Rennadrel]

Source: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/sto...ka-valdtaksman

Swedish Left party politician Barbro Sörman has suggested that it's worse when Swedish men rape women, than when immigrants do so.

"The Swedish men who rape do it despite the growing gender equality. They make an active choice. It's worse" - she tweeted.

Sörman, a self-described socialist and feminist, made the observation in response to what she claimed was excessive media focus on the fact that most of the rapes in Sweden are committed by immigrants. She explained that Swedish men are brought up in a society that believes in gender equality and therefore should be held to higher standards than migrants, who come from cultures where women are treated as second-rate citizens.

Doesn't matter who does it or what their skin colour is, rape is terrible and inexcusable. These far leftists migrant apologists who think it is acceptable to let refugees get off with a slap on the wrist for raping women because "they aren't brought up to know better" is probably the most retarded excuse for someone committing a crime in this history of everything.

[Blobfish]

A Governments priority is to protect its citizens from , Murder, Rape and lots of other other crimes.

The Swedish Government is failing in its duty to protect its citizens

Does'nt matter if its a Nuclear Scientist or a Refugee with an IQ of 20, if you
do a crime you serve the time.

Sweden needs a hard arse right winger leader to sort its mess out.

[Themius]

Doesn't matter who does it or what their skin colour is, rape is terrible and inexcusable. These far leftists migrant apologists who think it is acceptable to let refugees get off with a slap on the wrist for raping women because "they aren't brought up to know better" is probably the most retarded excuse for someone committing a crime in this history of everything.

why does the right feel logical conversation and throughly thinking through an issue is apologizing? Like is that just so you can dismiss it?

[Deleted]

Just a quick note: Syrian refugees have had a very hard time and lost everything, but they did not grow up in a society where rape of random women on the street is legal - there are really no societies like that on Earth

Saying that their "actions are justified because they don't know any better" is not much different from thinking of Africans (or Native Americans) as "savages" who simply don't know any better

The truth is: they do know better

The refugees who commit crimes do so as knowingly as do native Swedish men: they just don't care, perhaps because of nihilism gained from losing their country and their families (which is partly understandable), but they are not raping out of ignorance of the laws and customs of Sweden

They just don't know better, it's far worse there: if you get caught, you get cut like the cunt you are. No one comes over to tell how baaa-aaad you are by sending you to a free hotel with provided-for recreational facilities and opportunities with the occasional prison leave (fucking lol). Do I also need to remind you that it wouldn't be only the perpetrator being mightily mangled, but the victim as well?

Face it, these people do it out of rampant spite and desire to harm Western civilization. It doesn't matter what's the minor motivational excuse behind it. We need to not just stop it, but show that any other shitter who waddles over to do things like this will not enjoy the aftershocks.

EDIT: the proper word structure would be don't just, not just don't

[May90]

Doesn't matter who does it or what their skin colour is, rape is terrible and inexcusable. These far leftists migrant apologists who think it is acceptable to let refugees get off with a slap on the wrist for raping women because "they aren't brought up to know better" is probably the most retarded excuse for someone committing a crime in this history of everything.

Take a deep breath. No one advocates for letting rapists go and no one excuses them for anything.

[Gungnir]

A Governments priority is to protect its citizens from , Murder, Rape and lots of other other crimes.

The Swedish Government is failing in its duty to protect its citizens

Does'nt matter if its a Nuclear Scientist or a Refugee with an IQ of 20, if you
do a crime you serve the time.

Sweden needs a hard arse right winger leader to sort its mess out.

As a Swede, you're pretty much right.
Our current lineup of governmental leaders are possibly retarded since there are a lot of issues being outright ignored.

Not to mention that the only party advocating a decrease in immigration is the one party that the rest of the political system outright shuns and refuses to acknowledge even to the slightest degree. They almost caused a second vote due to their inability to act like functioning adults.


I am a bit miffed at a lot of things regarding the current leadership of my country.

[stabetha]

why does the right feel logical conversation and throughly thinking through an issue is apologizing? Like is that just so you can dismiss it?

why do you feel the need to consistently generalize a whole group of people based on a few forum posters?

[Powerogue]

what she claimed was excessive media focus on the fact that most of the rapes in Sweden are committed by immigrants

Well you see, people do that because they don't want rape to be happening in their country. So they look for what seems to be causing the increase in rape,

migrants, who come from cultures where women are treated as second-rate citizens.

[Rudkobing]

O logic, where is thy sting?

[Themius]

why do you feel the need to consistently generalize a whole group of people based on a few forum posters?

Hey it's only the right doing this shit on this forum.

Also it tends to be the right doing this the most in real life examples when it comes to anything that gives a possible reason for something.

It's like the right would have us believe things just appear.

[Okacz]

"The Swedish men who rape do it despite the growing gender equality. They make an active choice. It's worse" - she tweeted.

It's actually a valid point. You can compare a rabid, wild dog, who doesn't know any better, to a domesticated, loved one. If one of them ravaged a child on a street, you wouldn't be as shocked if the wild dog did this - but it would be an absolute horror if a domesticated one casually ripped a child into pieces.

However, with that in mind, this woman is actually providing a very strong anti-immigrant argument. If we wouldn't be suprised if an arabian immigrant did something that would be unthinkable for a regular person - isn't being accepting towards them like inviting rabid dogs into your country? Perhaps no one will blame them for what they could cause, perhaps they don't know any better, but in this case you are still endangering everyone.