Republican Election 2016 - Donald Trump Megathread [OFFICIAL]

[NYC17]

Regardless of your party affiliation or no affiliation. You know what I meant.

If you didn't intend to personalize it, fair enough. Bernie ran on his own platform though, which is kind of the entire point of his opposition to Hillary.

Strike 3.

[Reeve]

Someone mentioned to me the other day that the cycle of this campaign season is that Trump says something completely crazy, then his supporters rush out to:

a) explain what he REALLY meant
b) agree with something vaguely related that he didn't say
c) agree that the statement was bad but who cares

He said that we could start calling this #trumpsplaining

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From the left? We just had a letter released by 50 high profile Republicans slamming Donald Trump as a national security risk.

Sure, they were Republicans, but far more importantly, they were VERY SENIOR national security and foreign policy experts, including CIA/NSA directors, Undersecretaries of State, Undersecretaries of Defense, etc etc.

[Bollocks]

Wouldn't that be a good thing? That despite their differences the way Bernie got dealt with bothers them?

Not sure when when we had to pick sides and adhere to them via extremes but I always had some amount of respect for Bernie and that's with me disagreeing with many of his positions.

Somewhat... I believe education and healthcare should be human rights but everyone thinks I'm just crazy.

Not really, they just cared about him that specific moment, because they saw a chance of attacking Hillary. Then, when Bernie endorsed Hillary they threw him under the bus.

[Reeve]

He ran on your platform. Maybe some respect and decency?

He ran on the party ticket with the objective of CHANGING the party platform.

[DeadmanWalking]

if you don't like the idea of the usa becoming a 3rd world slum i suggest you do.

we get a wall or we get replaced

You don't need a 50 billion dollar wall that gets defeated by 50 feet of rope. You just need to put Americans who give jobs to illegals in prison. They don't come here and steal jobs, they are given jobs by Americans who don't want to pay Americans to work. Put Americans in prison for hiring them and the jobs will dry up and they will go home.

I mean everyone, from the guy who picks up people at gas stations to paint a fence to the Donald Trumps of the world who hire illegals to clean their hotel bedsheets.

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He ran on the party ticket with the objective of CHANGING the party platform.

He ran on the party ticket because he knew he can't win as an independant and wanted the Democrat coffers to fund his presidency.

[Rudol Von Stroheim]

Not really, they just cared about him that specific moment, because they saw a chance of attacking Hillary. Then, when Bernie endorsed Hillary they threw him under the bus.

Er, that wasn't my position so saying that was everyone's is a bit rude.

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I somehow doubt the hardline conservatives/trump supporters care about him that much, probably just saw it as an opportunity to attack Clinton.

There is plenty to attack Clinton for without that being one. Not to mention that was more of a mark against the DNC as an organization.

[Bollocks]

Er, that wasn't my position so saying that was everyone's is a bit rude.

I'm sure that wasn't the position of many, but from the majority that I saw, they did exactly that.

[DeadmanWalking]

I'm sure that wasn't the position of many, but from the majority that I saw, they did exactly that.

The problem with your data is that it is based on your personal perceptions. Personal perceptions are flawed data. If I play in a raid guild and state, "Most players don't use PVP" it would be flawed in that I only surround myself with raiders and not PVPers so I would not have a realistic perception of raiders to pvper ratios.

[alexw]

Completely anecdotal, but a friend of mine swears that Trump acts like her father did in the early stages of his dementia (though with a lot more cameras, obviously).

Actually I've been thinking this as well. From what I've seen from interacting with my own older relatives in the early-mid stages of it, they lose their self-restraint and/do say things that normal people don't do. On top of that they lose their ability to properly judge reality. So they might watch or hear something fictional and believe it is real. Combine those and you get things like Trump saying the president founded ISIS and Cruz's farther was involved in killing JFK.

[DeadmanWalking]

Frankly they had told the Democrats to not even bother running against Hillary because she was going to get the nomination for handing her voters to Obama 8 years before, but Bernie was not on the Democrat mailing list because he wasn't a Democrat. Once he got a following he became too big to laugh off.

I am also a believer that once you decide that a party needs to change to what you want it to be then you become a steward of the party, if you don't get what you want this time and say, "Screw you guys I'm taking my vote and going home." then they won't bother to listen to you in the future because they know you won't stick around when the chips are down. Nobody changes a party by demanding things from the outside, you can only change a party from the inside, by becoming a part of the system until you get to decide what is right and wrong for the party.

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Actually I've been thinking this as well. From what I've seen from interacting with my own older relatives in the early-mid stages of it, they lose their self-restraint and/do say things that normal people don't do. On top of that they lose their ability to properly judge reality. So they might watch or hear something fictional and believe it is real. Combine those and you get things like Trump saying the president founded ISIS and Cruz's farther was involved in killing JFK.

That isn't dementia, that is because Trump is a conspiracy theorist. "There isn't a Conspiracy Theory that Donald doesn't like." You don't need to be old and demented to be a conspiracy theorist, but it doesn't hurt.

[Skroe]

Actually I've been thinking this as well. From what I've seen from interacting with my own older relatives in the early-mid stages of it, they lose their self-restraint and/do say things that normal people don't do. On top of that they lose their ability to properly judge reality. So they might watch or hear something fictional and believe it is real. Combine those and you get things like Trump saying the president founded ISIS and Cruz's farther was involved in killing JFK.

I'll say it again.

Trump is known for living a certain lifestyle in the 1980s and 1990s. At his stratum of society, cocaine use (among other things) has long been rampant. And even barring that, he has all the tell tale physical signs of someone whose been hard drinking for decades.

I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he has early dementia, the same way some aging rock stars do, who lived a similar lifestyle.

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@Shalcker

This is from today.

http://www.redstate.com/california_y...break-hillary/

A new Red Oak Strategic Google Consumer national presidential poll of likely voters finds that Independents are breaking for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. In a three-way race, Hillary leads Trump by seven points:

Hillary Clinton - 36.6%
Donald Trump - 29.6%
Gary Johnson - 9.8%
Other/Don't Know - 23.9%
That's a lot of undecided voters — 31.8 percent of the poll's respondents Identified themselves as Independents. Those voters favored Hillary over Trump by nine points — 43.9 percent to 34.9 percent. The majority of Johnson’s support comes from independents — 21.1 percent.

Another interesting finding was that Johnson is supported by 8.3 percent of Obama's and 12.6 percent of Romney's 2012 voters.

The Red Oak Strategic poll was conducted August 3 through 9, 20126 and has a margin of error of 3.3 percent.

Trump did better with Independents in the new Bloomberg Politics national poll. When only given a choice between Trump and Clinton, 48 percent of Independents chose Clinton, while 41 percent chose Trump. Independents represented 42 percent of the Bloomberg poll's respondents.

In a four-way race, the Bloomberg poll found Hillary with a four-point lead:

Hillary Clinton - 44%
Donald Trump - 40%
Gary Johnson - 9%
Jill Stein - 3%
Not Sure - 3%
The Bloomberg poll was conducted August 3 through 5, 2016 and has a margin of error of 3.6 percent.

The results from these polls suggest that Johnson draws more Independents away from Trump than Clinton.

The Real Clear Politics average for the General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein has Hillary with a 7.2 percent lead. Take all polling these days with a grain of salt.

Trump lost independents, and therefore the election.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Someone mentioned to me the other day that the cycle of this campaign season is that Trump says something completely crazy, then his supporters rush out to:

a) explain what he REALLY meant
b) agree with something vaguely related that he didn't say
c) agree that the statement was bad but who cares

He said that we could start calling this #trumpsplaining

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Sure, they were Republicans, but far more importantly, they were VERY SENIOR national security and foreign policy experts, including CIA/NSA directors, Undersecretaries of State, Undersecretaries of Defense, etc etc.

Sounds about right. Thanks for this tidbit.

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You don't need a 50 billion dollar wall that gets defeated by 50 feet of rope. You just need to put Americans who give jobs to illegals in prison. They don't come here and steal jobs, they are given jobs by Americans who don't want to pay Americans to work. Put Americans in prison for hiring them and the jobs will dry up and they will go home.

I mean everyone, from the guy who picks up people at gas stations to paint a fence to the Donald Trumps of the world who hire illegals to clean their hotel bedsheets.

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He ran on the party ticket because he knew he can't win as an independant and wanted the Democrat coffers to fund his presidency.

Can't get rid of the carrot those illegals are coming here for! Have to use the stick.

When you spill honey on your counter and ants come for it, do you build a wall around the honey, or do you clean it up? Same principle applies to illegals.

(I'm agreeing with you if it's not clear)

[alexw]

Someone mentioned to me the other day that the cycle of this campaign season is that Trump says something completely crazy, then his supporters rush out to:

a) explain what he REALLY meant
b) agree with something vaguely related that he didn't say
c) agree that the statement was bad but who cares

He said that we could start calling this #trumpsplaining

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Sure, they were Republicans, but far more importantly, they were VERY SENIOR national security and foreign policy experts, including CIA/NSA directors, Undersecretaries of State, Undersecretaries of Defense, etc etc.

Trump : I say it like it is. I tell the truth no matter what.
Trump apologist : That's why we like him he tells it like it truly is. He doesn't downplay things.
Trump : Barrack Hussein Obama founded ISIS. Hillary Clinton helped him do it. (Or any one of the dozens of other nutjob statements).
Trump apologist : He didn't truly mean that. What he really meant was.......

[Skroe]

He was one.

No he wasn't. Not really.

Hillary Clinton has been a registered and active member of the Democratic Party since the 1960s.

Bernie Sanders has been a member of the Democratic Party since around June 2015. Our let me put it this way, Warlords of Draenor was an expansion longer than Bernie was A Democrat. And he's officially not one anymore.


I know it may seem odd to casually politically engaged people, but there are many, many people who being a Democrat or a Republican MEANS something substantial. It's not just a political allegiance du jour. It's an identity. It's a set of ideals. You vote Democratic (or Republicans). Your parents did. Your children did. Your church or whatever does. And especially if you're a career political person, that (D) or (R) allegiance puts food on your table and provides for your kids Healthcare. Thats why, for example, you've only been seeing a steady drip of Republicans come out against trump until recently. Regardless of Trump, turning your back on your party could have very practical significant consequences. It could close off doors, end relationships, and wreck your future prospects.

But more than anything, being Democrat or a Republican, to the people who are truly all about those parties, is not something to be taken or dispensed of lightly.

From that perspective, the thought that Bernie Sanders ever having a shot is utterly insane. Look at it like this: you've been a Democrat for 20 years, who are you going to vote for? The woman who has been in the Democratic trenches since before man landed on the moon? Or the guy who has been a Democrat for less time than there had been two consecutive seasons of Game of Thrones?

[Breccia]

Trump lost independents, and therefore the election.

Wait for the debates. You haven't seen Trump lose independents.

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Bernie Sanders has been a member of the Democratic Party since around June 2015. Our let me put it this way, Warlords of Draenor was an expansion longer than Bernie was A Democrat. And he's officially not one anymore.

So...Bernie is...Vol'jin?

[DeadmanWalking]

Sounds about right. Thanks for this tidbit.

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Can't get rid of the carrot those illegals are coming here for! Have to use the stick.

When you spill honey on your counter and ants come for it, do you build a wall around the honey, or do you clean it up? Same principle applies to illegals.

(I'm agreeing with you if it's not clear)

In this case people are purposely spilling the honey to attract the ants becuse they don't want to pay someone to clean it up because ants are cheap and then complaining that ants are rapists and murderers and blaming the ants for liking honey.

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Trump : I say it like it is. I tell the truth no matter what.
Trump apologist : That's why we like him he tells it like it truly is. He doesn't downplay things.
Trump : Barrack Hussein Obama founded ISIS. Hillary Clinton helped him do it. (Or any one of the dozens of other nutjob statements).
Trump apologist : He didn't truly mean that. What he really meant was.......

It is hilarious watching the Trump apologists on CNN, anytime they hear something that doesn't fit their political agenda they get angry eyes and start shaking like a crack addict in need of a microphone fix.

[Skroe]

Wait for the debates. You haven't seen Trump lose independents.

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So...Bernie is...Vol'jin?

I mean... both talk to the spirits of long dead ancestors that guide them in making stupid decisions which everyone will live to regret.

The Loa... Karl Marx... different names, same same dumb.

[Ripster42]

Don't worry, the mentality of some of you people is already way below 3rd world slums

The guy's name is from a cartoon about redneck "land squids," and the child abuse/meth manufacturing they do. You shouldn't expect genuine comments from them.

[DeadmanWalking]

Wait for the debates. You haven't seen Trump lose independents.

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So...Bernie is...Vol'jin?

Vol'jin has been a card carrying member of the New Horde since it's inception under Thrall. Pick a Hordie that joined the Horde in Draenor and you would be closer to Bernie.

[GT4]

Which is why there are so many stories about "Trump could be insane". He's not, at least no more than most people on this planet, but his inability to be PC has transferred into an inability to use common sense at the podium. He's been called insane by so many people, he tried throwing it back at Clinton because that's what he always does (see also "Crooked" from the man taking donations from Russia, with mob ties, and successfully sued by the government multiple times).

Normally this wouldn't be as big of a problem as he's let it become, but his staff is also hemorrhaging members and, if you believe the tweets coming from what's left, his staff is also heavily demoralized. They're a combination of unable and/or unwilling to prevent Trump from saying easily disprovable false statements.

As a non-American who's just following all of this for entertainment (because that's all Trump is good for if you do your research), I have to tell you there's a huge step from an "inability to be PC" and suggesting to censor the press (as Trump has done), suggesting that the Geneva Conventions are a problem (as Trump has done), suggesting to kill innocent civilians (as Trump has done), etc.

All of those suggestions sound insane to the majority of educated people although personally I'd assume they're just a result of a complete lack of empathy for living beings other than himself (as is clearly visible in his business career if you look at how many people he has screwed over just because he could). I'm not an expert on this topic so I'm not going to argue about whether that counts as being insane.