First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[Deleted]

Calling people deplorable, and saying it was 50% (she said half of).

It is not 50%, and as President you are supposed to represent everyone. So singling people out like that, for a politician, is dumb... politically.

Okay that makes sense -

[mvaliz]

Even though the police force endorses trump and most military generals aswel so Don't know what you mean by lost almost every endorsement.

Owh and why isn't the hillary foundation still being fully investigated?

Job endorsement... Not friggin political endorsements >_<

[Dextroden]

Calling people deplorable, and saying it was 50% (she said half of).

It is not 50%, and as President you are supposed to represent everyone. So singling people out like that, for a politician, is dumb... politically.

What Romney said was factually true (about the 47%), but the reason he got slack for it was because of the appearance of him only caring about the people that do pay tax. Both Romney and Paul Ryan had the Ayn Rand thing going against them... i.e "selfishness is good".

She still seems to be doing good unlike Romney. Maybe pissing on the people not voting for you is good now.

[Deleted]

You said there was a "lot of garbage chemistry" but now it's only a minority? Uh. K.

There is a very large amount of medical research going on in the world - A tiny minority off which is garbage, so thus, a lot of garbage chemistry exists.

[cubby]

Now an advisor of Trumps is telling him to do no more debates. LOL.

If he pulled out of the remaining debates, that would be fantastic - on so many levels.

[Belize]

There is a very large amount of medical research going on in the world - A tiny minority off which is garbage, so thus, a lot of garbage chemistry exists.

That's a stretch of a definition and we both know it. Nothing in your original post mentioned anything about it being a minority.

That's like saying "Hispanics are rapists!" and then correcting yourself to "A small portion of them are." when people call you out on your bullshit.

[Deleted]

That's a stretch of a definition and we both know it. Nothing in your original post mentioned anything about it being a minority.

That's like saying "Hispanics are rapists!" and then correcting yourself to "A small portion of them are." when people call you out on your bullshit.

Feel free to think i backtracked if you like.

[Merkava]

I would hardly call Trump "caring and honest" considering his track record. 3,500 lawsuits. Not paying his taxes and gleefully explaining how, which is hardly connecting to the middle-class that supports him financially. Consistent track record of shady deals and betrayals.

Clinton is no better, it's true, but at least Clinton seems to have a level, sane head about things. As a gay man in an interracial relationship, Trump and his religious-right cronies scare the shit out of me. They're the type of people to try to legislate their beliefs into law and turn the U.S into a theocracy.

I don't think Trump is part of the religious right that you reference. If he is, it's only a matter of political convenience, and certainly not to the degree that, say, Ted Cruz is for example. Now, the people he's aligned himself with, yes, they should scare you. But I think there's plenty of them on the left too.

The sheer number of lawsuits doesn't concern me. We're talking about him, or his companies, right? He has a lot of companies. It includes everything from a fight at a Trump casino to someone crashing a golf cart on a Trump golf course, to a patron at a casino that didn't pay back a marker. Unusual for a presidential candidate? Sure. But not for a businessman of his stature.

[Belize]

Feel free to think i backtracked if you like.

Well, considering you did, yes, I am free to think so.

[I Push Buttons]

If he pulled out of the remaining debates, that would be fantastic - on so many levels.

I hope he does more, his foot in mouth disease will win the election for Hillary.

[May90]

That part about his son was hilariously out of place. I was thinking the whole time, "What point can he possibly make out of it?" Turned out, there was no point!

[Yvaelle]

That part about his son was hilariously out of place. I was thinking the whole time, "What point can he possibly make out of it?" Turned out, there was no point!

It's an obvious subtle nod to his 10-year old son as his prospective Secretary of Homeland Security, his son is so good with these computers. ISIS doesn't stand a chance. ISIS. Baby Trump will troll the daylights out of the ISIS twitter feed.

[bloodmoth13]

They generally go together as beliefs. People who outright deny the mountains of evidence on the holocaust generally fall into the neo-nazi (or similar) group, and those people are also racist, anti-semite, etc.

And lo and behold if I look through his prior posts there is lots of racist and bigoted crap. For example -

"Can you people start waking up andsee that the problem is fucking Islam! holy fucking shit I hope people go to the streets and demand Islam to be banned"

"Just ignore Kangodo he is a leftist cuck tbh who welcomes these immigrants with his whole heart traitor scum if you tell me"

"Middle east needs dictators to keep the historic islam in control cause they are savage "

"the guy should be set free and awarded for fighting against the white genocide"

FYI you can add white supremacist to the list of deplorable things he is.

That just means there is a correlation.

islam is a religion, not a race, you shouldnt be called a racist or bigot for hating an ideology, same rules would apply to racism in that case (which is an ideology)

Dictatorship isnt always the wrong option for a political solution, its just not the overall best solution. There is a lot of hate in the middle east between different groups, restricting those groups is in everyones best interest, a democracy would be catastrophic in a situation when the majority wants to put a minority to death.

Calling someone a traitor for wanting immigration isnt necessarily racist or bigoted either, there are many reasons to be against immigration beyond racial hatred.

not sure who the 'guy' he was talking about was so i cant comment on that one

Im personally of the opinion that the tactic of labeling is a tactic used only by those with poor argumentative skills, i see this on the left alot, hillary labeling trump a racist over trivial bullshit that doesnt follow such as the whole 'birther' conspiracy, which her campaign started in the first place, besides there is nothing racist about questioning a persons birthplace or calling into question the authenticity of the evidence provided.

[Felya]

Well some are.
First is a Bernie quote being fact checked:

Then a trump quote:
Either like a half million African Americans got a job in the span off a year, or they are, Whats the word? - Biased?

Actually, ignoring the two age ranges being used, makes you biased...

[Belize]

Actually, ignoring the two age ranges being used, makes you biased...

Already pointed that out. Didn't get a response. Oh well.

[Breccia]

Actions the Obama administration

I am quoting YOUR SOURCE. Why would you cite something and then disagree with it?

[Felya]

No, they are parsing his comments in a biased manner - Bernie got
There was two ways to parse his comments - Either assume that in a speech exact economical definitions were used, or not.
In one case, they interpreted the comment, and understood what was meant, in the other, they went for the most autistic interpretation possible and declared a point they had said was correct before to be false.
because Trump used incorrect lingo - That Bernie did too.

Bullshit selective reading:

On Trump:

So where did Trump come up with the eye-popping 59 percent? We can’t say with certainty, because Trump’s campaign, as usual, didn’t respond to our question.

On Sanders:

Sanders’ camp pointed us to research by the Economic Policy Institute, a left-of-center think tank. This data is different from the more familiar measurements for a few reasons.

So, no, the differance is that Trump's camp provided 0 info on their statistics, while Bernie's did.

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Already pointed that out. Didn't get a response. Oh well.

He did respond, am catching up.

[Noxx79]

That just means there is a correlation.

islam is a religion, not a race, you shouldnt be called a racist or bigot for hating an ideology, same rules would apply to racism in that case (which is an ideology)

Dictatorship isnt always the wrong option for a political solution, its just not the overall best solution. There is a lot of hate in the middle east between different groups, restricting those groups is in everyones best interest, a democracy would be catastrophic in a situation when the majority wants to put a minority to death.

Calling someone a traitor for wanting immigration isnt necessarily racist or bigoted either, there are many reasons to be against immigration beyond racial hatred.

not sure who the 'guy' he was talking about was so i cant comment on that one

Im personally of the opinion that the tactic of labeling is a tactic used only by those with poor argumentative skills, i see this on the left alot, hillary labeling trump a racist over trivial bullshit that doesnt follow such as the whole 'birther' conspiracy, which her campaign started in the first place, besides there is nothing racist about questioning a persons birthplace or calling into question the authenticity of the evidence provided.

. First, Clinton campaign did not start the birther movement, this has been proven multiple times. It's hilarious how you unquestioningly slurp up whatever the conservative media tells you. It's sad, and shows an extreme lack of intelligence and critical thinking.

Second, explain to me why Obama was the only president in at least modern history to have someone claim that they are not an actual citizen.
Hmm, why could that be? Is it because there's something DIFFERENT about him, that is DIFFETENT from any other president in history?
For someone who assumes that people have poor argumentative skillS, when you've shown the inability to actually think about things and what they mean.

[Endus]

islam is a religion, not a race, you shouldnt be called a racist or bigot for hating an ideology, same rules would apply to racism in that case (which is an ideology)

It's a religion. The same as Judaism. And we have a word for hating Judaism and those who practice it; anti-semitism.

Hating Islam is exactly the same thing, and exactly as bigoted and baseless. Quibbling about the precise terminology to accurately describe the specific flavor of hateful rhetoric seems like it's missing the point, which is that it is hateful rhetoric.

It's kind of like responding to someone saying "Is that vanilla ice cream? All the ice cream is poisoned!" and your response is "no, it's BUTTER PECAN" and taking another huge lick.

Calling someone a traitor for wanting immigration isnt necessarily racist or bigoted either, there are many reasons to be against immigration beyond racial hatred.

It may not definitely be racist, but it's objectively slanderous. There's nothing about being pro-immigration that is criminal in any respect, let alone treason. That's just people mouthing off and making up utter nonsense because it sounds bad. It's exactly as meaningful as when vegan activists try to call someone eating a burger a "murderer". Exactly the same level of irrational venom.

Im personally of the opinion that the tactic of labeling is a tactic used only by those with poor argumentative skills, i see this on the left alot

I want you to take a minute or two, and sit down with a nice cup of tea or coffee or something, and try and figure out why this sentence is so blatantly hypocritical.

[Underverse]

It's a religion. The same as Judaism. And we have a word for hating Judaism and those who practice it; anti-semitism.

Eh, not quite. Anti-semitism applies to the ethnic group, not really the religion. Judaism is a convoluted example, because it's basically both.