First presidential debate - September 26: Trump vs Hillary

[LaserSharkDFB]

He wasn't running for president at the time, and diagnosing an offhand remark like this on an entertainment show years before he ran for office is pathetic, and it isn't even accurate.

So, only the statements he makes after he announces his candidacy count? Sorry, the world doesn't work like that.

But at this point, I'm thinking the fact that he lied about his pre-war position is a much more important issue than his actual pre-war position. When he said 'I was always against the war!' and someone responded 'No, you weren't, we have proof,' what he could have said was 'yeah, you're right, I forgot about that, it wasn't something I had really thought about at the time, but if you'll look at my Cavuto interview blah blah'. And it would have been pretty much forgotten. But he made it a major deal in his debates, and it's not in his character to admit wrongdoing, so all he can do is double down. And like his tax returns, the longer it drags on, the worse it looks.

Also, for someone who doesn't support Trump you sure are defending him a lot.

[Garnier Fructis]

https://morningconsult.com/2016/09/2...ly-voters-say/


Such a large number of Trump voters saying Hillary won debate.

[Daerio]

So, only the statements he makes after he announces his candidacy count? Sorry, the world doesn't work like that.

Also, for someone who doesn't support Trump you sure are defending him a lot.

I detest political spin when I see it, and I clearly see it here. Hit and run politics, barely supported by questionable facts and re-affirmed by the political elite. My favorite flavor of ignorance.

[DeadmanWalking]

I couldn't agree more. Trump seems to have at least the brain power to hold decent ideas in his head, he just can't get anything out in a coherent manner when under pressure (the debate wasn't the first time he's gone Flight of Words on all of us). He could have easily punted, just as Hillary did with the TPP question, but instead resorted back to his modis operandi - attack.




I knew from just watching her that Palin wasn't smart, but I hadn't read anything from the campaign. Unteachable - that's just insane that she could have been the VP. I realize your point about being basically worthless is correct, but McCain is not a healthy guy, and that job literally could have killed him.

Why does the GOP get such dreadfully stupid candidates?

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It's almost the very definition of accurate. It's what he said about a topic he was asked about. You can't get any more accurate than that.

Well, historically speaking...

John McCain had long been floating the ideal of making John Kerry his VP, the two were long time friends and each respected the other deeply as intellectuals. Unfortunately Kerry was also a Democrat, and that wouldn't fly with Republicans/Conservatives because if John did die it would put a Democrat in the white house on the Republican ticket. John was fighting for Kerry for several months behind the scenes and it was getting very close to the point where he had to officially chose his running mate and Republicans pretty much locked him in a room to do an intervention that under no circumstances would they allow him to make Kerry VP.
Now with very little time he went down his short list, which palin was on as she had high voter turn out and was known for being against 'The bridge to no where' (which was a bridge that would cost millions across a body of water where there were less than a dozen people living - and she was only against it after if failed to pass), she was poorly vetted by his vetting Team and after meeting with her for 2 hours John McCain made a gut check and made her VP. It was feared at the time that Obama would make Hillary VP and John wanted a woman on the ticket to counter it.
Then they found out what they had bought and to admit she was terrible would show that McCain makes poor decisions on important matters, so they sucked it up and tried to put lipstick on that hog.

[alexw]

To be factual when asked if he supported the war in Iraq he said, "Yeah, I guess so."

Frankly this whole debacle could be avoided entirely if Trump would of spent half a brain cell on preparing for the debate, in which he could of answered it in many better ways than getting in a fight with the moderator over it, of which even the base answer of, "I agree to disagree but let's move on." or "I was caught off guard because I didn't expect to answer a question about politics and I just mumbled that out." or a whole host of answers that didn't involve having a shit fit and thrusting his orange fist down Lesters throat.

But that of course would require him to actually prepare for the debate and obviously he had no intention of trying hard. In the least they could of said, "Okay Hillary is going to attack you with X, so you turn it to attack her with Y." but no, practicing shit and learning your parties policies are hard.

One of two things happened, either his campaign wanted him to practice and he refused or they tried to practice and he was unteachable so they washed their hands of it. In books written by the McCain campaign they said they tried all day sessions with Palin to teach her what she needed to know about world politics but she essentially was incapable of remembering anything an hour later so they trained her to take any question she didn't know and instead of answering it she was to just redirect the question to topics she was strong on, like oil.

In the least she completed the practice sessions with a tactic she used to at least stay on her feet during her debate with Biden, Donald either couldn't bother to take part in the practice or he couldn't absorb the practice which is not good for a guy running for President. At least in Palin's case her only responsibility would be to break ties in the house and senate and could bumble around being rediculous all she wanted, when you are president you don't have that luxury.

Apparently those involved in debate prep'ing him, could not get him to concentrate and focus on that preparation. He is well known for having an extremely short attention span and becoming easily bored (like a 8 year old child really), so that is almost certainly the cause for his lack of prep. It also fits in with what leaked out months ago from those involved with teaching him world affairs and foreign policy, in that he was incapable of learning. He'd just get bored and frustrated to the point he'd leave or those experts teaching him would give up.

Now just think of what that means in a president. It's frightening. Having someone in that position who is unable to sit and absorb hours of complex information to come to a decision on an issue. Its like putting an ADHD teen in charge of everything. So those who think Clinton makes mistakes just consider how many ADHD Trump would make. He'd be truly dangerous to our and the worlds well being.

[Noxx79]

I detest political spin when I see it, and I clearly see it here. Hit and run politics, barely supported by questionable facts and re-affirmed by the political elite. My favorite flavor of ignorance.

You mean, like you're doing. You have done NOTHING to prove your point, and you've even proven that you think time works backwards, and lack reading comprehension.

You're acting like you're above it all, when in fact, you're just overcompensating for that fact that you have no idea what you're talking about and have been duped by whatever your supposed "sources" are.

[alexw]

He wasn't running for president at the time, and diagnosing an offhand remark like this on an entertainment show years before he ran for office is pathetic, and it isn't even accurate.

.....at last a ban.

his continual trolling and conspiracy theory BS was getting tiring.

[Lenonis]

The limp wristed, hair dyed man children and women hating feminists should all be sent to Syria lol

Nothing more patriotic and freedom loving than advocating for deporting the people you don't agree with.

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Go ask the people of Haiti what they think of the clintons

Sweet! Does that mean we can use what the rest of the world thinks of Trump?

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Do you actually read your sources?

He's shown a number of times he either doesn't read them or he does so with such confirmation bias that he only sees the parts he wants to. He's been discredited by his own sources a huge number of times.

[DeadmanWalking]

I detest political spin when I see it, and I clearly see it here. Hit and run politics, barely supported by questionable facts and re-affirmed by the political elite. My favorite flavor of ignorance.

You ever notice how everything that doesn't fit your personal political bias and opinion is 'political spin' but you are incapable of 'political spin'? You need a little more time thinking outside of yourself.

[Lenonis]

He wasn't running for president at the time

Well if we are discounting things that happened before someone ran for president then Hillary is off the hook for nearly all of what Trump accuses her of. Sweet!

[cubby]

Well, historically speaking...

John McCain had long been floating the ideal of making John Kerry his VP, the two were long time friends and each respected the other deeply as intellectuals. Unfortunately Kerry was also a Democrat, and that wouldn't fly with Republicans/Conservatives because if John did die it would put a Democrat in the white house on the Republican ticket. John was fighting for Kerry for several months behind the scenes and it was getting very close to the point where he had to officially chose his running mate and Republicans pretty much locked him in a room to do an intervention that under no circumstances would they allow him to make Kerry VP.
Now with very little time he went down his short list, which palin was on as she had high voter turn out and was known for being against 'The bridge to no where' (which was a bridge that would cost millions across a body of water where there were less than a dozen people living - and she was only against it after if failed to pass), she was poorly vetted by his vetting Team and after meeting with her for 2 hours John McCain made a gut check and made her VP. It was feared at the time that Obama would make Hillary VP and John wanted a woman on the ticket to counter it.
Then they found out what they had bought and to admit she was terrible would show that McCain makes poor decisions on important matters, so they sucked it up and tried to put lipstick on that hog.

I had no idea - a McCain/Kerry ticket would have been frighteningly attractive to a large bipartisan base.

Do you have a particular book you'd recommend on this particular topic (post McCain tell alls, for lack of a better way of phrasing it)?

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Apparently those involved in debate prep'ing him, could not get him to concentrate and focus on that preparation. He is well known for having an extremely short attention span and becoming easily bored (like a 8 year old child really), so that is almost certainly the cause for his lack of prep. It also fits in with what leaked out months ago from those involved with teaching him world affairs and foreign policy, in that he was incapable of learning. He'd just get bored and frustrated to the point he'd leave or those experts teaching him would give up.

Now just think of what that means in a president. It's frightening. Having someone in that position who is unable to sit and absorb hours of complex information to come to a decision on an issue. Its like putting an ADHD teen in charge of everything. So those who think Clinton makes mistakes just consider how many ADHD Trump would make. He'd be truly dangerous to our and the worlds well being.

Wow, every time I see Trump or learn something new about him, it makes me wonder even more how any intelligent person could vote for him.

[Yvaelle]

Yes, to a Trump supporter this:

Is the same as:

I'm guessing the differance between a number and a "fucking number" is 8?

Initially mathematicians of the late 1800's were completely baffled by the discovery of the "Fucking Number Set" they knew it shared a relationship with the Real Numbers, but couldn't determine the permutations required to reveal them. To make their challenges even harder, identifying numbers within the fucking number set was quite challenging - the only method seemed to be by organizing great and terrible orgies among the petit bourgeois, involving hundreds of petty nobles, and a great gluttony of the finest food - to be showered upon the participants in an excessive display during the mass coitus.

Occasionally, after countless throes of passion, a noble would cry out in overexerted excess - a unique cry that the mathematicians of the day keenly listened for - before succoring the noble away into a side-room, once the door was bolted from the other side - the nobles would be subjected to a rapid quiz of mathematics that took great skill on the part of the mathematician to guide toward the goal. Still shocked by the annals of excess they had just endured, and now barraged by the incomprehensible higher maths they were now expected to pompously pretend to know, they would work themselves into a deadly delerium - whereupon their answers would begin to become incomprehensible in the triumvirate exhaustion of mind, body, and spirit - their last response, before collapsing hysterically from the agony of excess - was always assumed to be a member of the Fucking Numbers.

17th century mathematicians worked tirelessly to identify the Fucking Number Set in this laborious and dangerous manner, the petty nobles never quite certain why the mathematicians always threw such lavish parties - but it would be another two centuries before the fucking number set was sufficiently large and complex enough for the great mathematician, Ron Jeremy, to resolve the great mystery of math, by repeatedly adding and subtracting 8 inches from the set of real numbers: conclusively identifying the permutation - that for every real number, two fucking numbers exist at +/- 8.

[LaserSharkDFB]

Initially mathematicians of the late 1800's were completely baffled by the discovery of the "Fucking Number Set" they knew it shared a relationship with the Real Numbers, but couldn't determine the permutations required to reveal them. To make their challenges even harder, identifying numbers within the fucking number set was quite challenging - the only method seemed to be by organizing great and terrible orgies among the petit bourgeois, involving hundreds of petty nobles, and a great gluttony of the finest food - to be showered upon the participants in an excessive display during the mass coitus.

Occasionally, after countless throes of passion, a noble would cry out in overexerted excess - a unique cry that the mathematicians of the day keenly listened for - before succoring the noble away into a side-room, once the door was bolted from the other side - the nobles would be subjected to a rapid quiz of mathematics that took great skill on the part of the mathematician to guide toward the goal. Still shocked by the annals of excess they had just endured, and now barraged by the incomprehensible higher maths they were now expected to pompously pretend to know, they would work themselves into a deadly delerium - whereupon their answers would begin to become incomprehensible in the triumvirate exhaustion of mind, body, and spirit - their last response, before collapsing hysterically from the agony of excess - was always assumed to be a member of the Fucking Numbers.

17th century mathematicians worked tirelessly to identify the Fucking Number Set in this laborious and dangerous manner, the petty nobles never quite certain why the mathematicians always threw such lavish parties - but it would be another two centuries before the fucking number set was sufficiently large and complex enough for the great mathematician, Ron Jeremy, to resolve the great mystery of math, by repeatedly adding and subtracting 8 inches from the set of real numbers: conclusively identifying the permutation - that for every real number, two fucking numbers exist at +/- 8.

And that's how 69 was invented.

[truckboattruck]

Well if we are discounting things that happened before someone ran for president then Hillary is off the hook for nearly all of what Trump accuses her of. Sweet!

she was in public office and voted for the fucking war
he was a private citizen who had to accept what they told us

big fucking difference

[Deleted]

Such a large number of Trump voters saying Hillary won debate.

Yet every single one of them will still vote for Trump.

[LaserSharkDFB]

she was in public office and voted for the fucking war
he was a private citizen who had to accept what they told us

big fucking difference

Then why doesn't he just acknowledge what he said rather than get into a shouting match with the moderator at the first debate?

[DeadmanWalking]

I had no idea - a McCain/Kerry ticket would have been frighteningly attractive to a large bipartisan base.

Do you have a particular book you'd recommend on this particular topic (post McCain tell alls, for lack of a better way of phrasing it)?

Game Change by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin is up your alley, not only does it address what happened behind the scenes of the McCain campaign but also goes into depth as to why Hillary lost, not only was she over spending (Thousands of dollars for donuts) but she hated begging rich people for money and since she never personally called the Kennedy's it made it very easy for them to tell her intern no, Obama was bucking for that money and Caroline wanted to give him the money but had promised it would go to Hillary if she asked for it, and since she didn't...
She also considered him an upstart, someone she was trying to guide through the political world as a student was suddenly rounding on her.
Great book.

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Yet every single one of them will still vote for Trump.

You seem to be hitting a large disconnect here, the Debate won't change that trump supporters will vote for Trump, the debate will change what the independants and undecideds will vote. We never expected Trump supporters to suddenly change their minds and vote hillary. This isn't a war for left or right votes, those votes are a wash. The war is for the people inbetween.

[Lenonis]

she was in public office and voted for the fucking war
he was a private citizen who had to accept what they told us

big fucking difference

Nope. He said only when they started running for president does it matter.

No more emails, no more Benghazi. Clinton is a shoe in!

[Deleted]

You seem to be hitting a large disconnect here, the Debate won't change that trump supporters will vote for Trump, the debate will change what the independants and undecideds will vote.

Yeah, there's a disconnect here, but it's between you and what I was replying to. Which was this:

Such a large number of Trump voters saying Hillary won debate.

Yet every single one of them will still vote for Trump.

I wasn't talking about undecided voters.

[truckboattruck]

Then why doesn't he just acknowledge what he said rather than get into a shouting match with the moderator at the first debate?

he didn't want to go to iraq, he said that publicly
why not go look for information on this?