Police shoot and kill elderly woman with bat despite having taser

[Alvito]

Sorry didn't you just say they are more violent? I wasn't making any leap, I was pulling it back in.

If people are giving them a pass due to mental issues you can't also use that as a reason why they aren't dangerous while acting that way. Pick a lane you can't drive down the middle. I also didn't say all, but if somebody with mental issues is acting like a dangerous crazy person they just might be actually dangerous. They certainly aren't the well balanced and clam person treating their problem with medication and therapy.

[TheFirstOnes]

She is so frail that she could die from a taser and you are arguing shooting her was due to her threat? Pick one...

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No shit, they are many, you are one. I didn't realize I needed to specify you are not a group of people... my bad? Your rhetoric is the same... All cops are bad and all cops should be bad, are pretty much the same thing.

*Facepalm* Ok then...what you think is what you think. Idc :/

[King Shark]

Then perhaps we should stop sitting here, clicking our tongues like mother hens complaining about Police being thrown into chaotic situations and going for the easy, if grim, solution.

I feel half of the problem with these Police situations is that America seems to enjoy "Sticking" it to the man a little to directly. Maybe try respecting your Police officers a little more and your Shadowy Government a little less.

That doesn't really excuse that cop's actions. Proper mental health training for the police has long been an issue in this Country.
https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/justice_panel_report/#con
http://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-cons...ry?id=33023577
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ning/91297538/

[Zeta333]

Coming at a police officer brandishing scissors is something you shouldn't do.

Police are afraid to die. We're asking them to be brave. Some are so cowardly that they shoot at the slightest provocation, these cowardly police need to be removed.

They are human. You arnt going to be able to staff the police with unfeeling, never afraid beings untill we create them.

[Guyviroth]

because "use non-lethal force" has bit them in the ass/ didn't work in the past. Tasers aren't the fool-proof instant knock out TV/News would have you believe. You see someone ignore a taser once, you are aren't going to try it again if you think you're in danger

You think a 66 year old woman is going to no-sell a taser?

[Deleted]

That doesn't really excuse that cop's actions. Proper mental health training for the police has long been an issue in this Country.
https://www.omh.ny.gov/omhweb/justice_panel_report/#con
http://abcnews.go.com/US/deadly-cons...ry?id=33023577
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ning/91297538/

And what exactly is proper mental health training other than the candid corporate shit I have seen before.

I have worked with disabled people. When the 6 foot heavily autistic manchild went into a rage, it took 3 of us to calm him down, usually by tackling him to the floor and Holding him down before he thrashes about and hurts either himself, or more likely, the poor 18 year old bound to a wheelchair right next to him.

I agree careful handling of the disabled is required, but not by common folk. These people need help and that requires specialists.

[King Shark]

And what exactly is proper mental health training other than the candid corporate shit I have seen before.

I have worked with disabled people. When the 6 foot heavily autistic manchild went into a rage, it took 3 of us to calm him down, usually by tackling him to the floor and Holding him down before he thrashes about and hurts either himself, or more likely, the poor 18 year old bound to a wheelchair right next to him.

I agree careful handling of the disabled is required, but not by common folk. These people need help and that requires specialists.

For one, more than one cop responding to the call would have been a great start. And police officers are far from common folk. If any group needs proper training in handling of psych incidents it should be them. By not having proper behavioral incident procedures and training in place, the NYPD failed this woman.

[Themius]

"Cop shoots a 66 y/o black lady, even though the lady could've harmed the cops majorly".

BLM: OMG! THE COPS HAVE SHOT A BLACK! BLACK LIVES MATTA.....AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Me: *Facepalm* She has a bat, and could've done damage to a cop. Just because she's black and old, doesn't mean she won't arm authority. It's called self defense. However, I will agree on one thing, they should've tased her. However, we need less idiots these days...

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Well, half of the time, bats do cause knock outs, as well as broken bones. Idc what people say, she attacked. And sure, even though she could've gotten tased, she fucked up by attack the law.

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Well, now that you say that, they don't always work. If the person was able to dodge it, or was strong enough to take it, then...you'll need a gun...

Why are you making this about her being black and BLM?

I spoke quite a bit about a white elderly guy who was killed, and a white mentally ill person who relatives asked to be checked on and then cops killed him.

People who have mental issues need to be treated correctly.

Can you please explain to me why the fuck you're going on a rant about her race and BLM, when those two things have NOTHING to do with the cops choices.

[Kraenen]

Why are you making this about her being black and BLM?

I spoke quite a bit about a white elderly guy who was killed, and a white mentally ill person who relatives asked to be checked on and then cops killed him.

People who have mental issues need to be treated correctly.

Can you please explain to me why the fuck you're going on a rant about her race and BLM, when those two things have NOTHING to do with the cops choices.

I think people would just like media to acknowledge some of the other victims of police violence, when black people getting shot is so much more sensational and therefore gets more attention.

[Deleted]

Why get so worked up over someone attacking a police officer and getting shot? They shouldn't have attacked them in the first place if they want to live as they're allowed to defend themself with lethal force.

[Themius]

Why get so worked up over someone attacking a police officer and getting shot? They shouldn't have attacked them in the first place if they want to live as they're allowed to defend themselves with lethal force.

The person was mentally ill, and the police department knew this because she has had previous episodes.

The officer also had a taser, which he made no attempt to use on the elderly woman, who has a history of mental issues.

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I think people would just like media to acknowledge some of the other victims of police violence, when black people getting shot is so much more sensational and therefore gets more attention.

You know there were threads on those two things I mentioned, as well as threads on other wellness checks that turned deadly.

[Kraenen]

You know there were threads on those two things I mentioned, as well as threads on other wellness checks that turned deadly.

I know, but it's a minority and they get swept under the rug.

[Rotted]

It was probably overkill - no pun intended.

But lets just review a second, theres probably a good chance that taster would of killed her as well. I'm not saying hes in the right, I'm just saying the outcome might of been the same.

[Deleted]

The person was mentally ill, and the police department knew this because she has had previous episodes.

The officer also had a taser, which he made no attempt to use on the elderly woman, who has a history of mental issues.

Okay, and? Why does that even matter?

[NineSpine]

Okay, and? Why does that even matter?

Because if we want people to call the police in situations like this, people need to believe the police are going to attempt to defuse the situation, not kill the person. If people believe that the police are going to just show up and kill the mentally unstable person, then when you have situations where a mentally unstable person is becoming dangerous, people will think twice about calling the police. So, even if you set aside the obvious moral repugnance of killing mentally unstable people, there is a practical problem with this that impedes and harms law enforcement.

[Deleted]

The police will very, very rarely sacrifice their own life for another. Which is something i find disturbing. We should only be giving people who are willing to sacrifice themselves for the greater good power, not just any jerk that can run a mile in a minute.

police officers are employed to uphold the law in which ever country they work in, sacrifice their own life for another is not in any law enforcement job description

[the game]

So tell me then, What happens when the elderly woman dies of the Taser shot too?

Are the Police still murderers?

What ff the taser didn't work, She struck a Police officer and he became a Vegatable? Are they allowed to shoot her then?

Maybe, instead of Demonizing Police who get stuck in a dangerous situation, we start thinking why all of a sudden it's Ok to charge at the police with Sissors and a Bat?

She got shot because of HER actions.

well said. Thank you.

[NineSpine]

police officers are employed to uphold the law in which ever country they work in, sacrifice their own life for another is not in any law enforcement job description

Yet, somehow, the police in Europe can manage this without killing large numbers of civilians.

[TheFirstOnes]

Why are you making this about her being black and BLM?

I spoke quite a bit about a white elderly guy who was killed, and a white mentally ill person who relatives asked to be checked on and then cops killed him.

People who have mental issues need to be treated correctly.

Can you please explain to me why the fuck you're going on a rant about her race and BLM, when those two things have NOTHING to do with the cops choices.

Pfft, everyone knows that if a cop shoots a black guy/gal, it'll go to media.

[Deleted]

Yet, somehow, the police in Europe can manage this without killing large numbers of civilians.

You can't really compare the police in USA to the police in Europe. Different types of people they have to deal with. There's not many people attacking the police here compared to USA, nor are they likely to be armed to the same extent that happens in USA.