Ariana Grande speaks out about objectification after fan encounter

[Bryntrollian]

Big Sean isn't hard enough for you?

Gangster rap isn't his genre.

[Crissi]

Not at all. Say what you want. As will I. Freedom of speech is a great thing. I can handle it. She couldn't.

So is having social graces. Humans don't work well in anarchy, but I think Im done here since we value completely different things.

[Creotor]

yeah, not sure why she didnt say anything. Id be confronting that idiot myself.

Yea, she should have. The way she handled it, she's portraying herself as a victim who wants to the world to handle her issues (I know it's more complex, but that's ultimately the gist), not a strong person. Having difficulties imagining someone like Beyonce or Nicki Minaj acting that way.

To clarify, it's fine to call someone out on it (though it would probably make that guy hated by many of his peers), but step up to it first.

[Total Crica]

So is having social graces. Humans don't work well in anarchy, but I think Im done here since we value completely different things.

I value everyone being able to say what they want because it's the best way we have to learn from one another.

I do not value social hierarchy based on which words you use to talk.

[TheRabidDeer]

Yeah I wouldn't exactly call it sexism. I wasn't there so I don't know how the dude was or who he was, but I still don't think it's completely okay.

Not saying it's sexism, absolutely not saying it's objectification, but the way the situation seemed to have played out doesn't excuse social awkwardness. That's not really an excuse to go around saying that to people, hell he didn't even say it to her he said it to her boyfriend sitting right next to her. Its weird, awkward, rude and lacks a ton of manners, so I dunno.

Aside from that though, I definitely don't think someone who dresses up like that can really cry about being objectified. Hell my girlfriend dresses in short shorts and a short shirt (whatever that's called) sometimes so if someone calls her hot there's really no reason to complain or get mad since it's based on clothing.

I just think the way he did it was pretty bleh.

I think we pretty much agree

[kail]

Creepy comments are creepy. Being an attractive celebrity will attract those comments, but they are still inappropriate. If you rape a pornstar, it's still rape.

[Total Crica]

If you wear a hoe's uniform you're going to have occasionally have people treat you as a hoe.


There's no way around it.

What does a hoe wear? Nothing, otherwise, how could they hoe? So, everyone who wears nothing is a hoe!

[Kanegasi]

Except Muslims are killing and we are not. That's the worst comparison you could think of.

I compared the treatment of women and nothing else. You had no other better response than to go off on a tangent trying to compare other points of our cultures to try and invalidate my comparison.

The concept of treating a woman like shit if she dresses or acts in a provocative way is wrong. That is my point. Discuss my point and only my point next time.

[dvaz]

How the fuck did you just make such a big jump you fucking. WOW. You actually think thats a Zinger don't you? You actually think you just made a gotcha moment when you posted that comment.

I need to delete my account after seeing a comment this vapid.

Lol you beat me to it. sjw logic.

[satimy]

Gangster rap isn't his genre.

Yea I kick my feet up you can't say that I ain't home
And I be blowin on that reefer u can't say that it ain't strong and
She just, she just, she just, she just want a long dick
I put it in her mouth and now that bitch look like a conehead
When I'm done go ahead... what the fuck this is? !
What the fuck you doin? Bullshitttin

Youre right hes a regular 3rd wave feminist

[Shadow Fox]

Bitch please. The only reasons for your objectification are your own actions and choices. Deal with it.

I think it translates to -- "She shouldn't have worn that..."

What other threads have I heard that in?

Please do explain how 'hoeing it up' merits being treated like garbage?

Welcome to being a celebrity woman, most women don't get that treatment.

Maybe if she didn't hoe it up constantly she wouldn't get treated as such

While the Video's and Show's shes in are artistic, and can get away with a lot of things for art, when she starts to dress like that around in public and charity events, that's her own fault. You don't have to wear the same clothes that you do in your venues and videos to show what style you have, or make you unique.

She does often dress up like a prostitute.
Escorts have far more class and style than she does.
Not gender based objectification this time around, Celebrity or not.

[Sorshen]

She dresses like a street walker and she's upset people see her as 'an object'? rofl

[Dug]

How the fuck did you just make such a big jump you fucking. WOW. You actually think thats a Zinger don't you? You actually think you just made a gotcha moment when you posted that comment.

I need to delete my account after seeing a comment this vapid.

Someone earlier made the comment and even agreed with it, that porn stars who do rape fetish scenes should expect to get raped. You at least back up your thoughts but there's plenty here that boil down their argument to "Dress like or act like trash, get treated like trash."

It is kind of a pretty good gotcha all things considered.

[Sarange]

So would you say it's impossible to rape either a prostitute or a pornographic actor, right?

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Why do said people get a free pass? This is victim blaming by definition.

Being called sexy and get objetified, cant be compared to rape...

[Zeta333]

I was knocking about earlier and overheard a binman go to some bird who was looking at her phone 'watch out you might bump into something' and as she walked past still in earshot 'like my cock'.

Pub earlier the conversation generally went about the new barmaid with the decent boatrace and the big tits.

If you don't see this on the day to day, you probably dont go outside or interact with humans. Its standard.

did you post from the 1500s?

[Dug]

Yea I kick my feet up you can't say that I ain't home
And I be blowin on that reefer u can't say that it ain't strong and
She just, she just, she just, she just want a long dick
I put it in her mouth and now that bitch look like a conehead
When I'm done go ahead... what the fuck this is? !
What the fuck you doin? Bullshitttin

Youre right hes a regular 3rd wave feminist

That's not "gangster" rap tho... it's garbage rap but yeah not by the definition of what we know "gangster rap" as a genre to be.

[Puupi]

Someone earlier made the comment and even agreed with it, that porn stars who do rape fetish scenes should expect to get raped.

Apparently you have zero ability to spot and understand sarcasm.

[Dug]

Apparently you have zero ability to spot and understand sarcasm.

So you disagree then? When you say "Act like trash, get treated like trash" that's pretty ambiguous.

[Kanegasi]

that's her own fault

This. This is the problem. Right here. It is not her fault. At all. Last time I checked, she can't force people to be assholes. People have a choice on how to act, and those actions are their fault, not hers.

[Deleted]

This coming from her means Nothing. She is one of the "least" dressed artist outthere. in so many videos just wearing Lingeri, or skimpy outfits with catears. I can understand there is to much from it. but she is only building up this Reason why people objectifi artist they way they do, cus she is all about "look how sexy i am"