7.1.5: Fire completely wrecked

[Salystra]

Certainly seems to be the case. Annoying since I gave an 880 Brinewater bottle to a guildie last week.

Even more annoying as last week I thought YES I'm onto a winner when I managed to get an 880 arans with socket to go with my 895 chest!

Is this for all classes now or just mage?

It was very powerful for mage as you could always force a crit with combustion plus amp it up with ROP, from what I've been reading is that trinkets no longer "amp up" from external sources like ROP (don't know how true) but in anycase without it critting it is lacklustre.

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It was very powerful for mage as you could always force a crit with combustion plus amp it up with ROP, from what I've been reading is that trinkets no longer "amp up" from external sources like ROP (don't know how true) but in anycase without it critting it is lacklustre.

If I recall correctly I lost about 400k (from like 2,8 million hit to 2,4 million hit) with my 885 sinew (with combust + RoP of course).

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It was very powerful for mage as you could always force a crit with combustion plus amp it up with ROP, from what I've been reading is that trinkets no longer "amp up" from external sources like ROP (don't know how true) but in anycase without it critting it is lacklustre.

One important thing.
If you do not use Kindling anymore, combustion cd lines up with the colldown of the sinew.
Fire mage should always manage to make it crit.
7.1.5 more likely than on 7.1, when both cd desynchronize over time.

[D3athsting]

One important thing.
If you do not use Kindling anymore, combustion cd lines up with the colldown of the sinew.
Fire mage should always manage to make it crit.
7.1.5 more likely than on 7.1, when both cd desynchronize over time.

Not really, you need to use sinew and do 3-4 casts before combustion or stacks will detonate when combustion has ended, btw i did 2.8 mil before patch and 1.7 mil yesterday, so it's shit

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Not really, you need to use sinew and do 3-4 casts before combustion or stacks will detonate when combustion has ended, btw i did 2.8 mil before patch and 1.7 mil yesterday, so it's shit

It's a good point.
if you cannot buff it with RoP it is sad.

Anyway, i feel like RoP is kind of dead for fire spec.

[D3athsting]

It's a good point.
if you cannot buff it with RoP it is sad.

Anyway, i feel like RoP is kind of dead for fire spec.

Never thought i would ever equip 885socket twisting wind and now...

[Salystra]

One important thing.
If you do not use Kindling anymore, combustion cd lines up with the colldown of the sinew.
Fire mage should always manage to make it crit.
7.1.5 more likely than on 7.1, when both cd desynchronize over time.

its not just the crit hit from sinew, it also seems to hit lower possibly as from what I hearing as I said the amps no longer work for "use effect proc trinkets".

So its missing the ROP +50% buff as well

My sinew hc version used to crit for 2.6m or so, the overtime affect of loss of core stat (int) with the inability potentially of not working with amps makes it a lacklustre choice

[D3athsting]

its not just the crit hit from sinew, it also seems to hit lower possibly as from what I hearing as I said the amps no longer work for "use effect proc trinkets".

So its missing the ROP +50% buff as well

My sinew hc version used to crit for 2.6m or so, the overtime affect of loss of core stat (int) with the inability potentially of not working with amps makes it a lacklustre choice

Also some trinkets procs scale with vers, sinew doesn't

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One of the many casualties of war... I mean patch. God bless respeccing does not cost a dime.

[D3athsting]

One of the many casualties of war... I mean patch. God bless respeccing does not cost a dime.

Recalling and asking for summon to change talents from boss A to boss B is annoying as f*** and tomes are terribly expensive...

[Boyinawell]

Aran's is still simming really well for me.

All my SIMs and research has pointed to basically completely different talent choices for ST vs MT (which is no big deal) but also the stat weights are crazy different for the two. Haste heavy for the ST and Mastery for MT, both with crit in second.

Because of this I actually don't hate the stats on the set bonuses - and it will be interesting to see how much the 4pc impacts stuff. I will be doin more sims when I have the chance

But for now, Brawlers guild!

[genzic8787]

Certainly seems to be the case. Annoying since I gave an 880 Brinewater bottle to a guildie last week.

yes i use a brinewater 890 with 880 plague right now.. i seem to be doin well but i have no real idea why cus my crit is shit and ive always been told stat sticks r fail..

[Dizzeeyooo]

So its missing the ROP +50% buff as well

RoP is 40% now, but does still affect trinkets like sinew, so its only a 20% nerf

i seem to be doin well but i have no real idea why cus my crit is shit and ive always been told stat sticks r fail..

because before they nerfed crit to the ground and massively buffed intellect, that was true...

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/statist...e=1&dataset=99

And my point was that fire isn't the worst. Also, consider that much of the tuning was done with set bonuses in mind. I am currently enjoying playing fire.

It doesn't need to be the absolute worst, to be in the gutter.

Your inability to grasp the understanding behind my post really concerns me. It simply implies that hunter got hit by a bigger nerf bat than fire mages and fire mages still QQ about it.

Also, gz to you for winning a forum debate, I hope you will succeed in life.

Thank you, I already did.

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Guys i need ADVICE about trinkets... my fire alt (881) has wrist/head as legendaries, I plan to switch from ROP to MI (i know its a slightly dps loss but I guess it makes life easier) but I really dont know what trinkets to use... I have:
880 sinew
870 bough of corruption
875 stormsinger fulmination charge
865 twisting wind
885 chrono shard
860 aran
880 portable manacracker

Sinew I guess it's 100% worth, others i have many doubts since I never had the luck to drop TOV mythic/hc trinkets... about aran I heard it got nerfed a lot (havent had time to test that out myself), chrono shard is nice but it just gives a haste buff (which is kinda weak for us i guess?), stormsinger gives mastery, not sure how often procs manacracker and xavius trinket from what I noticed its mostly decent with a lot of adds.

What do you think? Can you suggest me anything? Thanks a lot!

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Guys i need ADVICE about trinkets... my fire alt (881) has wrist/head as legendaries, I plan to switch from ROP to MI (i know its a slightly dps loss but I guess it makes life easier) but I really dont know what trinkets to use... I have:
880 sinew
870 bough of corruption
875 stormsinger fulmination charge
865 twisting wind
885 chrono shard
860 aran
880 portable manacracker

Sinew I guess it's 100% worth, others i have many doubts since I never had the luck to drop TOV mythic/hc trinkets... about aran I heard it got nerfed a lot (havent had time to test that out myself), chrono shard is nice but it just gives a haste buff (which is kinda weak for us i guess?), stormsinger gives mastery, not sure how often procs manacracker and xavius trinket from what I noticed its mostly decent with a lot of adds.

What do you think? Can you suggest me anything? Thanks a lot!

Sinew is pretty shit. Even the UH does more damage as it is. Aran is also pretty bad on ST (even with chest). It's still good on cleave fights.

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Sinew is pretty shit. Even the UH does more damage as it is. Aran is also pretty bad on ST (even with chest). It's still good on cleave fights.

So what do you suggest me to use? :P Btw on alteredtime i noticed that chronoshard ranks very high for trinkets... is it really that good for fire?

[D3athsting]

So what do you suggest me to use? :P Btw on alteredtime i noticed that chronoshard ranks very high for trinkets... is it really that good for fire?

Sim those trinkets and see what happens, i found today that twisting wind is no longer crap as it was before 7.1.5 (proc is still bad, int bonus is quite good) and this applies to all stat stick trinkets with +int on them

[Mahogany]

The set bonus argument doesn't really work for comparison to other classes, everyone is tuned around set bonuses, everyone is in the same rough % increase from their tier, comparisons don't change in any meaningful way.

So according to you Fire Mage 2set bonus is roughly the same increase as say DH 2set bonus? Would love to see you talk yourself out of this one, let's give you some help and say you can even add Fire Mage 4 set vs DH 4set, you still can't proof your argument with numbers

[enchiridion]

So according to you Fire Mage 2set bonus is roughly the same increase as say DH 2set bonus? Would love to see you talk yourself out of this one, let's give you some help and say you can even add Fire Mage 4 set vs DH 4set, you still can't proof your argument with numbers

Well, no, you see just a few msgs after the one you quoted I provided the link to the spreadsheet that shows the dps increase of each tier set there is a range and it would be silly to think that anyone thinks all the %s are the exact same. Dh are lower than is shown bc their apl was updated after the spreadsheet was but yes demon hunters are now in that 4-8% increase range, oh and for the record makes are on the low end of that range taking all the wind out of the "wait for tier " argument