Will this be considered a stain in American history?

[Machismo]

Every government is authoritarian and both parties try to shift power away from the executive branch when the other party is in power

And the GOP are traditionally more nationalists, and the Democrats are more socialists.

[Kiri]

Tells me you've no idea about that history.

Nazi.. How the term came to be.

The party rose from the Social German Workers Party.
And they called themselves National socialistic workers party of Germany.
That's how the abbreviation Nazi came to be.. The German population simply shorted the first word.. National = Nazi, since in German the T in the word is pronounced like a z..

Short correction: even though the t in national is pronounced kinda like a z, the term national is actually distanced from Nazi. The Na in Nazi comes from National, but the zi part is a direct reference to 'Sozialist'. It is kind of like a ship name on the internet. Socialists were the 'Sozis', so the national socialists got shortened to to 'Nazis'. National + Sozi, kinda.

[Machismo]

It is actually democracy. Just because you don't like the results, doesn't mean they were not met in some democratic way. People still had to vote and the people in the EC still had to vote. Things went exactly as the people wanted them too. This Myth of a popular vote is not an actual thing. It is completely irrelevant and is made up by the media and Liberals who cannot face up to reality.

It's not close to actual democracy. It's assigning a value to someone's vote based on their zip code. It's deciding that one person's vote is worth more than others. You may support forced inequality, but I do not.

[Cosmic Janitor]

Exactly.
And our continent had leaders like this:


Not once. Three times.
So trust us, we know what we are talking about.

Italy is home to the mafia for a reason ..

[CostinR]

It's not close to actual democracy. It's assigning a value to someone's vote based on their zip code. It's deciding that one person's vote is worth more than others. You may support forced inequality, but I do not.

It's called a representative democracy. Direct democracy has typically been an abyssal failure.

[Wildtree]

Go ahead and google national socialism for me.

I don't have to.
I'm German citizen. And I certainly know my own history better.

But then, I've always believed that this part long became international standard.
Literally now:

Left: Soviets/Mao's China..................................................................................... ...........................Right: Hitler's Nazis/Mussolini's regime.
Those two groups building the far end extremes on the political scale.
Giving some benefits to ones society doesn't make it a socialistic regime.
The Romans weren't socialists. And yet, they've created some of the most social features in human history for their societies.

[Narwal]

He just got elected by those who consider themselves even more "conservative" than the GOP. The complaint was always that the GOP was too liberal.

His message yesterday espoused many points that could have been in a Bernie sanders inauguration speech. That is they spoke little to what side a policy would be, but spoke to a focus on America and less interventionism. Do you believe a "radical right" would decree less American involvement in the world?

[Machismo]

It's called a representative democracy. Direct democracy has typically been an abyssal failure.

And this form of a representative democracy is inherently unequal, and designed to limit choices.

We have direct democracies all across this country. You can have a representative democracy and still have it be based on a popular vote. It happens with most mayoral, senatorial and congressional races in this country. There are literally thousands of elections in America that are a direct democracy for representatives, just not for the presidency.

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His message yesterday espoused many points that could have been in a Bernie sanders inauguration speech. That is they spoke little to what side a policy would be, but spoke to a focus on America and less interventionism.

His stances to cross party lines, but his logic is basically non-existent. he wants deregulation, but wants to increase regulations. He wants to limit government, but he wants to expand it. he wants to put America first, but he wants to restrict Americans. In the end, it makes for a very shitty policy.

As for his supporters, they will believe anything he says, and I have little respect for willfully ignorant people.

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America is a stain in history.


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[Coombs]

It astonishes me that people think Trump will be impeached, or more unlikely that he will make it four whole years. If he doesn't get assassinated in the first 9 months I will be impressed.

[Independent voter]

America is a stain in history.

Says the guy who is too ashamed to list his location.

[Narwal]

And this form of a representative democracy is inherently unequal, and designed to limit choices.

We have direct democracies all across this country. You can have a representative democracy and still have it be based on a popular vote. It happens with most mayoral, senatorial and congressional races in this country. There are literally thousands of elections in America that are a direct democracy for representatives, just not for the presidency.

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His stances to cross party lines, but his logic is basically non-existent. he wants deregulation, but wants to increase regulations. He wants to limit government, but he wants to expand it. he wants to put America first, but he wants to restrict Americans. In the end, it makes for a very shitty policy.

As for his supporters, they will believe anything he says, and I have little respect for willfully ignorant people.

I think it's unintelligent to pretend you know what a Trump supporter believes. Trump supporters had only two choices, Trump and Hillary, Trump supporters now may only be in the boat of hope and change, and looking past much of what gets said in hope for economic policies that help them. We all knew taxes were set to go up under Clinton.

[satimy]

I don't have to.
I'm German citizen. And I certainly know my own history better.

But then, I've always believed that this part long became international standard.
Literally now:

Left: Soviets/Mao's China..................................................................................... ...........................Right: Hitler's Nazis/Mussolini's regime.
Those two groups building the far end extremes on the political scale.
Giving some benefits to ones society doesn't make it a socialistic regime.
The Romans weren't socialists. And yet, they've created some of the most social features in human history for their societies.

Whatever stay in denial

Hitler was left wing and nazi is short for national socialist. You being German probably gives you a skewed version of history, As does me being an American

[Wildtree]

His message yesterday espoused many points that could have been in a Bernie sanders inauguration speech. That is they spoke little to what side a policy would be, but spoke to a focus on America and less interventionism. Do you believe a "radical right" would decree less American involvement in the world?

Imo, he's drawn a picture of a USA that doesn't exist.
He described a country that's outright falling apart and chaos reigns everywhere. That is simply untrue.
And has been debunked over and over again during the campaign cycle.
The radical right would not decrease the US' involvement in the world. It would much rather try to force it into even more power.
Radical right, and isolationism are two different things.
There are very few isolationists in the US, and they are always discarded rather quickly. The Paul's for example.. Father and son.
The libertarian candidates too, to some degree.
It's a stance, not popular with the people.

[Macaquerie]

I think it's unintelligent to pretend you know what a Trump supporter believes. Trump supporters had only two choices, Trump and Hillary, Trump supporters now may only be in the boat of hope and change, and looking past much of what gets said in hope for economic policies that help them. We all knew taxes were set to go up under Clinton.

We do have a $20 trillion national debt. How do you propose to pay that off without increasing taxes, especially with all the new spending Trump has promised to do?

[Machismo]

I think it's unintelligent to pretend you know what a Trump supporter believes. Trump supporters had only two choices, Trump and Hillary, Trump supporters now may only be in the boat of hope and change, and looking past much of what gets said in hope for economic policies that help them. We all knew taxes were set to go up under Clinton.

First off, there were more than two choices.

If people believe the things Trump was saying, even though he was proven to lie constantly, they are willfully ignorant. Not everyone who voted for Trump actually supported the guy. Some simply hated Hillary a little bit more. I was referring to the legion of "MAGA" supporters who parroted all the bullshit he spewed. Whenever someone repeats a catchphrase of a candidate in a serious manner, I know they are brainwashed.

I would love to debate Trump's policies, especially with his supporters. His policies are illogical, authoritarian, and often make no sense at all. People who support Trump's policies cannot realistically claim to support limited government, free markets, personal freedom, capitalism, or the United States Constitution.

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Says the guy who is too ashamed to list his location.

I'm not ashamed I just never cared enough about messing with my profile. I live in Slovenia if it makes you feel any better.

[matt4pack]

Yes the fact that Democrats are completely corrupt and engage in identity politics which has given us trump is a stain.

[Machismo]

Whatever stay in denial

Hitler was left wing and nazi is short for national socialist. You being German probably gives you a skewed version of history, As does me being an American

If you are comparing it to Americans, Hitler was not leftwing. Lefties are not nationalists, not by a long shot. And yes, conservatives in America are socialists. If you don't believe me, try to get rid of Social Security and Medicare, and watch them howl in anger.

[Independent voter]

We do have a $20 trillion national debt. How do you propose to pay that off without increasing taxes, especially with all the new spending Trump has promised to do?

Clinton got really close to paying off the national debt and in a very short time. How did he do it? He didn't do it. The economy grew and not by much, a few percentage points but the national debt vanished overnight.