Americans are Having Less Sex

[Powerogue]

No. It's the whole "I don't want a child, I don't need a husband. I AM INDPENDANT" thing that's spreading, which is fucking everyone up even more. Hell, more men are turning to the gay, no kid side of things now...

turning to the gay

Turn to the Gay Side, Luke.

[Triks]

women are expected by men (generally speaking) to still do all of the domestic chores & raising children while also working part or full time. Things are changing, but very slowly. so it creates an extremely unpleasant and unappealing future unless you find the rare bird willong to share things equally.

not to mention, there is an intense societal pressure on women to have kids regardless, they are treated as being "worthless" if they dont. so many will often "settle" for an unhappy marriage to fulfill that role. some of my own family fell into that trap, now they are extremely bitter and unfulfilled indiduals.

so, work 40+ hours a week then come home and be a domestic slave, to someone you may not love, just to fulfill "expectations" doesnt seem super great.

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it is really the opposite in my experience. women who dont have kids or arent married by a certain age are looked down upon.

Damn right it sounds like a shit deal.

I never understood why couples don't share responsibilities in the house or at least have some rota or something so one doesn't do everything. The part about women not having children also sucks - if a woman is actively contributing to the economy, who cares if she has children.

[TheFirstOnes]

Sorry Bob, I can't come in to work today, I caught The Gay.

Probably didn't read the rest of my sentence. I didn't say it, as if it were the flue. Try again, please.

[Powerogue]

Probably didn't read the rest of my sentence. I didn't say it, as if it were the flue. Try again, please.

I did. Is that version better?

[Eon Drache]

Most women work full-time now, did you bitterly stumble out of the 1950s?

Source? Most sites I find put 43% of the full time work force as female against 57% of it being male (When only counting 16 years and older).

[Osmeric]

Alcohol consumption is also down, I've heard. I've heard this blamed on electronic social media. People don't need to meet friends in person as much, where alcohol helps overcome social phobia. Teen pregnancy rates are also way down in the US.

[Mistame]

People are worked 80+ hours a week in order to barely survive.

Hyperbole much?

Lastly, we have the internet now overflowing with porn. With every fetish a person can desire at their finger tips, it is not a big surprise that many forgo sex, relationships, and marriage all together.

Porn is fine and humans aren't naturally monogamous.

Could be porn. Spoils people to look for more attractive partners and they might as well "self serve" instead of actively looking for sex.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd certainly rather rub one out than sleep with someone I don't find attractive.

Compared to Europe it is, you censor bottoms lol

Even our public channels don't typically censor butt shots.

No. It's the whole "I don't want a child, I don't need a husband. I AM INDPENDANT" thing that's spreading, which is fucking everyone up even more. Hell, more men are turning to the gay, no kid side of things now...

No, what fucked everything up was the "nuclear" family garbage.

You think the USA has a problem, just take a look at Japan...

Japan's problem is similar to America's in that the women tend to think that because they have a vag, they're "special". It's just more prominent in Japan.

As mentioned in my other post, I blame immature men that have been socialized to value stupid, materialistic garbage over family and community are at least as much of a problem.

I mean, people have the right to pursue happiness how they see fit. Why would I give up my freedom and lifestyle just for the occasional piece of ass when I can handle it myself or find someone else who's rational. /shrug

[flyspyro]

Why do people assume lower birthrates mean less sex? I am betting sex is at an all time high (ok, lets aside then end of the sixties).

Ya, I don't see it as less sex. For me as a female, I am scared to have a baby with the future being so grim. I'm also scared that once I have a baby the man could get bored and leave me to take care of a baby by myself. What if the baby came out sick.. America doesn't care about the chronically ill. that kid would suffer. because of all these reasons I chose to get my tubes tied.

[starlord]

Damn right it sounds like a shit deal.

I never understood why couples don't share responsibilities in the house or at least have some rota or something so one doesn't do everything. The part about women not having children also sucks - if a woman is actively contributing to the economy, who cares if she has children.

yes, and i saw some people mention japan. in japan they have a saying that goes something like "women are like christmas cake, no good after the 25th." and they are also expected to (again) be a stepford wife and completely forego independence after marriage. with no gaurantee of the future.

growing up my female family members drilled into me "never put yourself in a position to be dependent on a man, because it could all fall apart."

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Damn right it sounds like a shit deal.

I never understood why couples don't share responsibilities in the house or at least have some rota or something so one doesn't do everything. The part about women not having children also sucks - if a woman is actively contributing to the economy, who cares if she has children.

Usually it was handled in the way that the chores OUTSIDE the house were belonged to men and the ones INSIDE the house were left to women. You can take potshots at the why and why.

The ones who expect society to continue usually expect women to have kids... just like they expect men to have kids... only that the conundrum classically has been that men have to accomplish something to be considered marketable. That something is relative. The more women are pushed to "accomplish" the more they feel a need that they have to gain from hitching it up.

[Lady Dragonheart]

My claim is exactly the opposite - women are working too much because of feminism. The number of women that work jobs that they don't like and barely profit from is appalling, yet quitting work and acting as a team with a spouse is largely looked down on.

I think that working jobs that you don't like isn't exclusive to women, it's more a factor of the economy than gender.

As mentioned in my other post, I blame immature men that have been socialized to value stupid, materialistic garbage over family and community are at least as much of a problem.

Again, both genders (at least of the younger generation) have some outstandingly high standards, immature outlooks on, and extremely poor social and communication skills than any other generation that I've seen/been a part of. This all boils down to a larger problem though, which is the economy and how wealth is spread out. In instances where wealth is more equally distributed, regardless of gender roles, people become happier, lead more fulfilling lives, strive to educate themselves, and are both more sexual active and seeking committing relationships.

In short, the poor condition of society is mainly a byproduct of the long-ongoing economic strife of the western-world's economy.

[Spectral]

I mean, people have the right to pursue happiness how they see fit. Why would I give up my freedom and lifestyle just for the occasional piece of ass when I can handle it myself or find someone else who's rational. /shrug

I do not think that the hedonic treadmill actually makes people happy. For those that are happy, good for them, but there's an awful lot of guys in their mid-20s that seem like they'd be a lot happier if they were just in stable relationships.

[NED funded]

Is this supposed to be bad?

[sheggaro]

Is this supposed to be bad?

Is having too few people and an impending demographic crisis bad?

Not sure, captain.

[Mistame]

I do not think that the hedonic treadmill actually makes people happy. For those that are happy, good for them, but there's an awful lot of guys in their mid-20s that seem like they'd be a lot happier if they were just in stable relationships.

It may not for some people. That's a given. Personally, I find the nuances of relationships to be trite. I've no time for drama and kids are just miniature assholes.

[starlord]

I do not think that the hedonic treadmill actually makes people happy. For those that are happy, good for them, but there's an awful lot of guys in their mid-20s that seem like they'd be a lot happier if they were just in stable relationships.

most guys i know that age are not interested in stable relationships.

[Techno-Druid]

Newsflash: we don't want you to, you silly bint.

Speak for yourself, I'm tired of society expecting men to slave their lives for the sake of their spouse and children. I'm not a MGTOW (in fact everytime I hear them complain about a female lead in a movie I want to off myself then and there), but I feel like both genders are expected to abide by archaic and very stressful "traditional norms."

Men should not be expected to be providers, but they should not be discouraged from providing for their family if they choose to follow that path.

[Triks]

yes, and i saw some people mention japan. in japan they have a saying that goes something like "women are like christmas cake, no good after the 25th." and they are also expected to (again) be a stepford wife and completely forego independence after marriage. with no gaurantee of the future.

growing up my female family members drilled into me "never put yourself in a position to be dependent on a man, because it could all fall apart."

If you were my sister, I would have told you the exact same thing. This also goes for guys - never be in a position where another person has control of your finances. Ever.

Usually it was handled in the way that the chores OUTSIDE the house were belonged to men and the ones INSIDE the house were left to women. You can take potshots at the why and why.

The ones who expect society to continue usually expect women to have kids... just like they expect men to have kids... only that the conundrum classically has been that men have to accomplish something to be considered marketable. That something is relative. The more women are pushed to "accomplish" the more they feel a need that they have to gain from hitching it up.

I am not going to take potshots. These are beliefs that were from a different time and have no business being in the present. Given how awful the economy is and how prices just keep going up and up, having a woman that doesn't work is not viable financially, unless the husband earns like double or triple the family's income.

[Techno-Druid]

Is having too few people and an impending demographic crisis bad?

Not sure, captain.

You should watch these two videos, the first an analysis of population growth in the future and the latter a video on how automation could push people out of jobs, leaving millions unemployed.




So in the long run, population stabilization and decline may ultimately be favorable over having tens of millions of people in developed nations unemployed.

[sheggaro]

If you were my sister, I would have told you the exact same thing. This also goes for guys - never be in a position where another person has control of your finances. Ever.



I am not going to take potshots. These are beliefs that were from a different time and have no business being in the present. Given how awful the economy is and how prices just keep going up and up, having a woman that doesn't work is not viable financially, unless the husband earns like double or triple the family's income.

These are biological traits. You'll never change them.