What made classic wow better than current?

[D3athsting]

Ultra-competitive pve end-game content slowly took over rpg aspects of the game, with that said while i'm currently raiding mythic content i also enjoyed that unnameable vanilla server while it lasted, really felt like i was on a time machine

[voidillusion]

If you objectively think about it the game is still massive filled with players, it's still multiplayer and so far the official category of the game hasn't changed, despite the belief of some random people on the forums. A specific zone in classic having a player raid does not dictate a game's genre.

You do 1-110 solo, most of the times zerging through content, when you queue for dungeons a group of 4 anonymous, almost always num players appear, they might as well just be bots and they serve the same purpose. Then you reach max lvl and if you want to raid outside of LFR you need 10-19 more players, if you a BG, you're in anonymous city again. How is this mmorpg? It isn't sorry.

[Eleccybubb]

You do 1-110 solo, most of the times zerging through content, when you queue for dungeons a group of 4 anonymous, almost always num players appear, they might as well just be bots and they serve the same purpose. Then you reach max lvl and if you want to raid outside of LFR you need 10-19 more players, if you a BG, you're in anonymous city again. How is this mmorpg? It isn't sorry.

So because you don't like the game it's suddenly not an MMO anymore? Sorry doesn't work like that.

You can hate WoW if you want but it's still an MMORPG. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Also just because it's an MMORPG does not mean you have to be grouped up 24-7. Even MMOs before WoW had solo content. Also what you just described with raiding has been the MMO standard since the start of WoW. If you wanted to raid you had to gather 39 other people.

[Kyanion]

You do 1-110 solo, most of the times zerging through content, when you queue for dungeons a group of 4 anonymous, almost always num players appear, they might as well just be bots and they serve the same purpose. Then you reach max lvl and if you want to raid outside of LFR you need 10-19 more players, if you a BG, you're in anonymous city again. How is this mmorpg? It isn't sorry.

And you are the one that chooses not to engage with players in your random dungeon groups or talk with people in questing zones you go to. You are the one to blame for not talking to other people and thinking of them as bots. In a prior example you used "When you're questing in Redridge or STV, and a raid of the opposite faction raids your ass and WPVP happens" how is that not the same as anonymous bots from the other faction fighting you? You don't interact with them besides fighting them unless you CHOOSE to do so. The funny thing is you have even LESS interaction with people of an opposite faction outside of the random emote here and there. So what is the difference? You chose to interact with people on your faction instead of thinking of them as bots. Looks like that is fail on your end, bud.

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So because you don't like the game it's suddenly not an MMO anymore? Sorry doesn't work like that.

You can hate WoW if you want but it's still an MMORPG. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Also just because it's an MMORPG does not mean you have to be grouped up 24-7. Even MMOs before WoW had solo content. Also what you just described with raiding has been the MMO standard since the start of WoW. If you wanted to raid you had to gather 39 other people.

Ah come on man, fighting the other faction in endless pvp "raids" is TOTALLY an MMO where grouping with people in group finder, LFR, and out in the world totally isn't. Don't forget all the zones in Legion must be ghost towns inhabited by bots because you never see actual players to interact with!

[voidillusion]

So because you don't like the game it's suddenly not an MMO anymore? Sorry doesn't work like that.

You can hate WoW if you want but it's still an MMORPG. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Also just because it's an MMORPG does not mean you have to be grouped up 24-7. Even MMOs before WoW had solo content. Also what you just described with raiding has been the MMO standard since the start of WoW. If you wanted to raid you had to gather 39 other people.

I don't hate WoW, as i said a couple of post ago, it's not a matter of liking or not. If i didn't have the option to play Vanilla atm i would be playing Legion, at least from time to time. I'm not a WoW Hater, i love this game, favorite game of all time, it's just that it's current state doesn't apeal to me as much as before.

This said, i love how this forum is full of Blizz White Knights, at the minimum sign of disagreement with Blizz or current state of the game you get jumped on. I used to hate this, now i just find it funny. Newsflash, you don't need to think eveything is good or perfect about something to actually enjoy it.

[Kyanion]

I don't hate WoW, as i said a couple of post ago, it's not a matter of liking or not. If i didn't have the option to play Vanilla atm i would be playing Legion, at least from time to time. I'm not a WoW Hater, i love this game, favorite game of all time, it's just that it's current state doesn't apeal to me as much as before.

This said, i love how this forum is full of Blizz White Knights, at the minimum sign of disagreement with Blizz or current state of the game you get jumped on. I used to hate this, now i just find it funny. Newsflash, you don't need to think eveything is good or perfect about something to actually enjoy it.

So in that long-winded post accusing people of being Blizz White Knights you fail to answer the question posed to you. Do you think WoW Legion is no longer a MMORPG? Because you said a few posts ago "It's not and MMORPG anymore you can call it a MORPG if you want, but massive multiplayer? Nahh those days are long gone." so how is that supposed to be read exactly? I don't give a crap if you hate wow or not, you are entitled to your opinion but what I want clarity on is the MMORPG issue. Because if you think Legion isn't an MMO then there is little to discuss.

[voidillusion]

So in that long-winded post accusing people of being Blizz White Knights you fail to answer the question posed to you. Do you think WoW Legion is no longer a MMORPG? Because you said a few posts ago "It's not and MMORPG anymore you can call it a MORPG if you want, but massive multiplayer? Nahh those days are long gone." so how is that supposed to be read exactly? I don't give a crap if you hate wow or not, you are entitled to your opinion but what I want clarity on is the MMORPG issue. Because if you think Legion isn't an MMO then there is little to discuss.

I think i was pretty clear where i stand regarding that.

[Echocho]

At least you all agree that WoW is a multiplayer online game

[Eleccybubb]

I don't hate WoW, as i said a couple of post ago, it's not a matter of liking or not. If i didn't have the option to play Vanilla atm i would be playing Legion, at least from time to time. I'm not a WoW Hater, i love this game, favorite game of all time, it's just that it's current state doesn't apeal to me as much as before.

This said, i love how this forum is full of Blizz White Knights, at the minimum sign of disagreement with Blizz or current state of the game you get jumped on. I used to hate this, now i just find it funny. Newsflash, you don't need to think eveything is good or perfect about something to actually enjoy it.

Don't think I ever said anything was perfect. Look at the state PvP is in for example. Would love to know where I said it. Legion has it issues just like every other expansion. To expect perfection from a game is silly. There will always be issues. But to claim it's not an MMORPG anymore just because you don't like the changes/state of game is silly at best.

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At least you all agree that WoW is a multiplayer online game

Uhm because it is an MMORPG? Has been for the last 12 going on 13 years. Why are you coming here just to add fuel to the fire? Really don't see the point.

[Kyanion]

At least you all agree that WoW is a multiplayer online game

Considering that voidillusion just said and I quote: "It's not and MMORPG anymore you can call it a MORPG if you want, but massive multiplayer? Nahh those days are long gone." You are trying to ALSO call it something else. You are calling it MORPG and not a MMORPG. Does not matter if you think it is or isn't a MMORPG however as it is sold as one, listed as one and recognized as one.

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I think i was pretty clear where i stand regarding that.

Right, so you are cool with being totally wrong on the MMORPG part, as long as we got some clarity on that.

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This said, i love how this forum is full of Blizz White Knights, at the minimum sign of disagreement with Blizz or current state of the game you get jumped on. I used to hate this, now i just find it funny. Newsflash, you don't need to think eveything is good or perfect about something to actually enjoy it.

Didn't know using common sense is now white-knighting blizzard. How is stating what kind of genre a game is even close to defending it without question? I have many gripes about the current state of the game, but that doesn't change the category of games it falls in.

[voidillusion]

Considering that voidillusion just said and I quote: "It's not and MMORPG anymore you can call it a MORPG if you want, but massive multiplayer? Nahh those days are long gone." You are trying to ALSO call it something else. You are calling it MORPG and not a MMORPG. Does not matter if you think it is or isn't a MMORPG however as it is sold as one, listed as one and recognized as one.

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Right, so you are cool with being totally wrong on the MMORPG part, as long as we got some clarity on that.

You're often funny but let me ask you this ou of curiosity, if one could measure in a scale if a game fits into a category, would you say it's more, less or the same of a mmorpg as it was in the past?

[CostinR]

It's simplicity. Modern WOW may be a lot easier to complete if you're just going for the LFR experience but it's a far more complex games to deal with it, even it's questing.

Vanilla WOW questing was extremely simple to deal with: Kill or Find something typically with some escort quests thrown in. The actual story in those quests was secondary.

Raiding? Far more simple to deal with then today, more interesting though as the challenge back then was organizing groups in an era where many people didn't use voice chat, didn't know how to CC or cleanse.

[Toxigen]

Well obviously farming for Loatheb consumables made Vanilla wow great.

[Kyanion]

You're often funny but let me ask you this ou of curiosity, if one could measure in a scale if a game fits into a category, would you say it's more, less or the same of a mmorpg as it was in the past?

There is no need for a 'scale'. It is either a MMORPG or it isn't. Simply put. It is. Get. over. it.

[Echocho]

There is no need for a 'scale'. It is either a MMORPG or it isn't. Simply put. It is. Get. over. it.

While I agree that it is a MMORPG things are seldom so black or white. There are scales to everything. I would consider Skyrim more of a RPG than Torchlight for example.

[Eleccybubb]

While I agree that it is a MMORPG things are seldom so black or white. There are scales to everything. I would consider Skyrim more of a RPG than Torchlight for example.

Both are RPGS. Skyrim is an Open World RPG and Torchlight is an ARPG. 2 completely different types of Role playing games. So why you compared them is beyond me. That's like if I go and compare FF7 to Diablo 2. Completely different types of Role playing games.

[Kyanion]

While I agree that it is a MMORPG things are seldom so black or white. There are scales to everything. I would consider Skyrim more of a RPG than Torchlight for example.

There really is nothing to argue here. WoW is a MMORPG no matter if it was Vanilla or any of the expansions. It has never changed genres despite what you and some others may think. The worst part is you are the one that created this biased thread title in the first place and now try and argue what is a RPG and what isn't. Get real.

There is no scale. It is either a MMORPG or it isn't. WoW is a MMORPG. Period.

[Echocho]

There really is nothing to argue here. WoW is a MMORPG no matter if it was Vanilla or any of the expansions. It has never changed genres despite what you and some others may think. The worst part is you are the one that created this biased thread title in the first place and now try and argue what is a RPG and what isn't. Get real.

There is no scale. It is either a MMORPG or it isn't. WoW is a MMORPG. Period.

I'm agreeing with you for God's sake, it's most definitely a MMORPG, I'm just saying that things are never black or white. There's no need to get aggressive or defensive.

And by the way, how is me wanting to know what people think about something I know nothing about biased?? I never even played the damned thing.

[oathy]

There were loads of Solo quests really made you work to get the reward.
Always remember running through horde territory for the lock Quests. the thing that really depresses me they went down this route
of thinking making the game easier was going to attract more people.

Might be totally wrong, but the day they restore most of the spells/abilities they removed is the day they will see a fair number coming back.
Artifact traits are okay but its not the same as loads of things they removed.