[TV] Marvel's Iron Fist

[Gallahadd]

I don't mind them not doing the full uniform, he needs to cover his face though. Billionaires who go out fighting crime typically need to avoid leaving themselves open to lawsuits...

Yeah, maybe he'll get a midway costume for now, and then build up to the full classic costume. Like Daredevil did in season one, that could work.

[Ealyssa]

Finished the series yesterday. I liked it a lot.

But I'm also tired of all the "weakroes" the netflixification is doing to Marvel heroes. ENOUGH of tortured, questioning, unsure, "heroes". Sure Danny Rand had flaws in the comics too, and that's fine and interesting to explore. But IMO they went way too far in this adaptation which can barely wear the title of "Iron fist", "above average when it works fist" would have been more accurate.

Danny Rand is THE immortal Iron Fist, vanquisher of Shou-Lao, protector of K'un L'un. I trained his whole life. And can barely fight 4 security guards.

I expected IF to go further into the mystical side of the MCU. More power, more magic, more strenght. It's not the case, at all. IF looking sometime weaker that the allready weak netflix's Daredevil.

So yeah. Still liked it for what it was, a decent show with some Marvel fanservice. But a poor adaptation of what is Iron Fist.

Still looking for a possible season 2 and for the defenders. Much question still open : Why was the steel serpent logo on the drugs. Is it Davos ? Can we please see Shou-Lao on screen ? What happened to K'un L'un ?

And last thing : Jessica Henwick is just ❤ Can we have a "Daughters of the dragon" series on top of defenders ? To me the more Colleen we can have, the better.

[ohiostate124]

Yeah, maybe he'll get a midway costume for now, and then build up to the full classic costume. Like Daredevil did in season one, that could work.

Now that Ward and Danny are on good terms, I'd love to see Ward suggest that he wears some kind of mask to protect the company.

[kaamila]

Finished the series yesterday. I liked it a lot.

But I'm also tired of all the "weakroes" the netflixification is doing to Marvel heroes. ENOUGH of tortured, questioning, unsure, "heroes". Sure Danny Rand had flaws in the comics too, and that's fine and interesting to explore. But IMO they went way too far in this adaptation which can barely wear the title of "Iron fist", "above average when it works fist" would have been more accurate.

Danny Rand is THE immortal Iron Fist, vanquisher of Shou-Lao, protector of K'un L'un. I trained his whole life. And can barely fight 4 security guards.

I expected IF to go further into the mystical side of the MCU. More power, more magic, more strenght. It's not the case, at all. IF looking sometime weaker that the allready weak netflix's Daredevil.

So yeah. Still liked it for what it was, a decent show with some Marvel fanservice. But a poor adaptation of what is Iron Fist.

Still looking for a possible season 2 and for the defenders. Much question still open : Why was the steel serpent logo on the drugs. Is it Davos ? Can we please see Shou-Lao on screen ? What happened to K'un L'un ?

And last thing : Jessica Henwick is just ❤ Can we have a "Daughters of the dragon" series on top of defenders ? To me the more Colleen we can have, the better.

i agree. for someone who trained 15 years and becomes the iron fist, he seems extremely weak... also that cliffhanger left me alittle confused.. i can understand davos side of jealousy but the sister? shes the rational one and caring one and knew her dad was the liar but shes entertaining davos' plan?

[Jotaux]

You should probably find the specific quote(s) you are having an issue with, because I don't remember seeing that particular one.

Probably one of these in the last few pages:

Instead we get a white man teaching an asian woman how to practice martial arts in her own dojo and it is played completely straight. In terms of both gender and race it was one of the most patronising scenes I have seen on television in a long time.

A white person beating on a bunch of faceless POC to rescue a white woman.

Of course Protar was the guy that told Krazy he hated himself for being gay so I don't know if anything he says counts.

[callipygoustp]

But I'm also tired of all the "weakroes" the netflixification is doing to Marvel heroes. ENOUGH of tortured, questioning, unsure, "heroes".

God yes!!!! Generally I only watch these series when there is nothing left on my watch and its mainly cause I can't stomach the fucking pansy like mentality of these super heroes. May as well have them all, the heroes, running around in skirts for their costumes.

[Klingers]

In a nutshell Iron Fist's fights should have outclassed Daredevil's. It should have been classic kung fu-style long-take editing with solid fight choreography and maybe even some appropriate wire-work.

The boring, unsympathetic rich white people drama bullshit might been been a lot easier to swallow if it had delivered on that at least.

Every time it was Danny, Claire and Colleen taking on the hand I was at least enjoying the show on some level. Colleen was an awesome part of the show. Every time a Meachum came onscreen however I just inwardly cringed as the fun was sucked out of the room.

[ohiostate124]

I actually enjoyed Ward's arc. The weight of the secret he had to keep from Joy, the one person he actually cares about. His father working him like a puppet for the last decade. Then Danny shows up and complicates things even further. Plus the fact that he looks like a young John Malkovich.

I think we can all agree though that Colleen is amazing.

[oplawlz]

It was ok, but way slower than it had to be. I don't recall Danny Rand being an idiot in the comics either, although my memory is foggy.
Show was better than Luke Cage, for sure, but not as good as Daredevil or even Jessica Jones.

[Clone]

Probably one of these in the last few pages:





Of course Protar was the guy that told Krazy he hated himself for being gay so I don't know if anything he says counts.

Hey man, I have no problem with white people doing martial arts.

[Not A Cat]

My least favorite of the Marvel series, but I still enjoyed it.

I strongly disliked the first part of the show with all of the business drama. It felt like a shittier version of Arrow's which I also disliked.

I never read the comics so I could be on the wrong page completely, but I was also annoyed with how incapable Danny seemed to be. Like, he's clearly good at martial arts, but for spending 15 years in K'un-Lun you would think he would be a little less erratic. I felt worse about it when Davos came into the picture. I understand that he left civilization as a child, but he spent all of his developing years in a strict environment, yet he seems to always act like he's 10 years old. It almost feels like they're trying to force him into the clown of the defenders rather than the calm and controlled character I expected him to be.

Again, I may have the wrong expectations, but I can't help but feel a lot of the drama surrounding Danny was forced too hard.

[ohiostate124]

I believe he is supposed to be naive at first, but ultimately, be a fun and optimistic character. That's what I want in the Defenders.

Matt: super serious, batman type
Luke: mr. too cool for school
Jessica: emo kid
Danny: naive but fun and optimistic

[Clone]

Come to think of it the intro had better fight moves.

[Deleted]

The only people who are allowed to practice Martial Arts are Asian people.

And if you think thats racist, you are a racist.

Somehow.

That's not what I'm saying. Obviously white people can practice martial arts (Daredevil does for example and that is not racist because his backstory isn't steeped in asian mysticism; he is simply taking a functional fighting style and using it). But at the end of the day it is not white culture, so why not let the cultures to whom those traditions actually belong to, take the lead in representing them?

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Probably one of these in the last few pages:

You'll note that no where here do I say that I have a problem with a white person practising martial arts. I have a problem with all but one of the asian characters being evil. I have a problem with there being no discussion about appropriation. But I don't have an inherent problem with Danny being white. My preference would have been a mixed race actor of chinese descent but I was open to Finn Jones giving a good performance and was actually quite looking forward to seeing him in a starring role (as I feel like he got a little shafted (no pun intended) in game of thrones) and want to see what more he could achieve. I was open to the show giving us the same intelligent take on race that Luke Cage did.

[ravenmoon]

Finn Jones was cast 3 weeks before they started filming. Finn said in an interview that they were going over the fight scenes 15-20 minutes before filming them. No wonder it didn't look great. This was a super rush job. I think Marvel was just in a hurry to get to the Defenders. They should have given him more time to prepare. I believe Charlie Cox had 4 months to get ready for Daredevil and they still used stunt doubles. Scott Buck made a huge error not giving the character a mask.

After all the stuff I've heard lately. I'm gonna give Finn the benefit of the doubt until after the Defenders. A new showrunner and a better team may do wonders. Just give the guy the damn costume.

well. at least that means the fight scenes will get much better then, now he is cast, give them much more time to do more stuff right?

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Come to think of it the intro had better fight moves.

i still think many are perhaps overly biased weighing expectation as measure vs delivery. As i mentioned if you had no idea that IF was supposed to be the best martial arts fighter in the MCU, you would not expect super human kung-fu crouching tiger hidden dragon level of moves. Still i guess some may just not like the fighting that much period, i still suspect expectation bias tho

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I believe he is supposed to be naive at first, but ultimately, be a fun and optimistic character. That's what I want in the Defenders.

Matt: super serious, batman type
Luke: mr. too cool for school
Jessica: emo kid
Danny: naive but fun and optimistic

yeh, this. And this is what i like about him. And I think he brings something very different to the dynamic. you need that kinda guy in a super hero flick. You really do. The others are really serious, and they do a great job of bringing out a gritty realistic feel that trumps any DC comics film i've seen (save one of the Nolen's Batman) where i think DC does cheesy dark -- at least in the screen versions.

He's like the more innocent kid on the block that believes or wants to believe the world is and can be a better place, but keeps being confronted by those making it a worse place and is willing to do something about it. I think his character is about the same age as DD, with LC and JJ a little older, or at least LC, yet DD is far more mature. Mr serious. Good analogy.

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My least favorite of the Marvel series, but I still enjoyed it.

I strongly disliked the first part of the show with all of the business drama. It felt like a shittier version of Arrow's which I also disliked.

I never read the comics so I could be on the wrong page completely, but I was also annoyed with how incapable Danny seemed to be. Like, he's clearly good at martial arts, but for spending 15 years in K'un-Lun you would think he would be a little less erratic. I felt worse about it when Davos came into the picture. I understand that he left civilization as a child, but he spent all of his developing years in a strict environment, yet he seems to always act like he's 10 years old. It almost feels like they're trying to force him into the clown of the defenders rather than the calm and controlled character I expected him to be.

Again, I may have the wrong expectations, but I can't help but feel a lot of the drama surrounding Danny was forced too hard.

lol.. interesting points.. it's funny because in contrast to you, i liked the first parts of the show most, it was such a brighter feel than the previous 3 and had a mystery son of destiny feel to it I really liked, and it was much better than Arrow's I feel - Arrow i felt again was un-necessarily violent in a way they failed to convince me Oliver needed to be.. or at least it was a bit of a puzzle why he was that brutal - did make you stand up and watch though as it made super hero character unique for actually killing and not silly fun stuff it descends into later with people like Ray Palmer and Felicity.

I didn't read the comics, buti do agree with you that one of the bad portrayls of IF was how erratic he was. I think it's more the script than the acting, for that level of rage, the story doesn't add up... in either one of two ways... 1) he either shouldn't be perceived as a zenn master or 2) they needed to show more compellingly how deep and traumatized their actions left Danny. So either the script or the acting /coaching didn't deliver. Danny (Finn) does a great rage face/emotion by himself, but it seems misplaced for the given context and background of his character - and i'm not entirely sure tha'ts his fault.

The 10 year old feel is spot on though. Especially for the first movie.. which he is very new into his power and abilities which is why perhaps i feel the level of martial arts use correctly did not step up into super human levels, not yet, that should not come in subsequent seasons/shows. The 10 year old feel reallydoes help explain his naivete and to a lesser extent his raging as he is now faced with emotions and truths his colesting away in a monastery shielded him from actually having to come to terms with.

I think they hit the nail on the head with his general reactions because you have to remember we who haven't left this society may not realise how hardened and messed up we are from the loss and betrayals we witness and experience all around us..and by the time we are in a late teens, early tweens we've toughened up to a lot it, hardened etc while he would not have. we are forced to cope with it, confront it, and react to it either by hiding, fleeing, forcing etc,but that has already happened between 10 and 25 to nearly all of us.

How would a person who hasn't had that, react? Well I think Danny shows that well in how naive he's portrayed, but successfully comes off as an innocent charm. what tye could have worked more on was showing how incredibly wise and centred he is for being Zenned for so long, it would sell how deep coming to temrs with hisparents murders and dealing with Kun'Lun's greatest enemy the Hand can cut. And you show that by seeing Danny quite calm and centred in situations that would normally have us raging (often over reacting in truth - but to us and otr society norms, that over-reaction is the norm and expectation of the audience who then needs to see a person who's whole of mind and buddy and understands the deeper mysteris in life gaining inner peace won't be so easily ruffled or emo reacting.)

THis is different when it hits home to him with deep issues like his family's death, now even the cool of a zenn master can be ruffled . but the swing in emotions needs perhaps to be less erratic, because he comes off as emo during his rage scenes in a petulant child sense rather than a pissed off MAN sense. I think the actors head space might have been in kid mode for that, and it shouldn't have been.

The rest of the time he executes his role perfectly and the scripting shows it well imo.

[brimdog]

I expected IP Man and what I got was kardashians.
oh well.

[Beazy]

But at the end of the day it is not white culture, so why not let the cultures to whom those traditions actually belong to, take the lead in representing them?

Why are you in a thread about The Iron Fist if you don't have a single clue about who or what he is? Its obvious you have no clue about this character.

[Gallahadd]

Now that Ward and Danny are on good terms, I'd love to see Ward suggest that he wears some kind of mask to protect the company.

That would be funny, would fit the character and would make total sense... No chance they'll do it .

[Deleted]

Why are you in a thread about The Iron Fist if you don't have a single clue about who or what he is? Its obvious you have no clue about this character.

Why don't you enlighten me then? I admit I have not read the comics.

But I am judging the show on it's own merits. If the flaws are in the source material as well that doesn't excuse them in the adaptation. I found the show to be in poor taste when it came to its depiction of race. That doesn't change because of what's in the comics.

[A Dark Knight]

3/10 at best