France's Macron campaign emails appear to be leaked online

[Spectral]

The lack of interest in the content of the emails is kind of interesting. Is there just basically nothing there that's all that scandalous?

[Shalcker]

The lack of interest in the content of the emails is kind of interesting. Is there just basically nothing there that's all that scandalous?

Those who speak French freely and can publish are mostly in France where they have that pre-election media blackout. They are probably reading and searching but cannot publish; and 9GB is a lot of reading anyway.

If there is something damning and not forged inside it'll only come out after elections - and it'll probably be limited to French media (unless Russian angle will keep that story in general Western media focus).

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Those who speak French freely and can publish are mostly in France where they have that pre-election media blackout. They are probably reading and searching but cannot publish; and 9GB is a lot of reading anyway.

If there is something damning and not forged inside it'll only come out after elections - and it'll probably be limited to French media (unless Russian angle will keep that story in general Western media focus).

I highly doubt there will be anything bad in it anyway, they were probably very careful due to the Hillary Clinton witch hunt.

[Rukh]

I really doubt those leaks came from within France, American alt rigthers are far more likely.

Nope, was the Russians again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721796.html

Russia is swiftly becoming the enemy of Democracy just like the USSR was.

[Allybeboba]

No, I'm just making the observation that someone who virtually always sides with conservatives on this board is not an independent in any practical sense. And that I've seen that flimsy defense enough times that it's gotten boring.

I wouldn't state "always". Just admit it, you are of the ilk, "if you don't agree with my views you must disagree agree with my views". There is no in between.
Still waiting on those quotes by the way.

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They exist, definitely. But I'm sorry to tell you that hardline R voters, you know, the sort that wouldn't vote non-R even if their lives depended on it, are not those independents. That's not what the word means, at all.

That may be true. Have I ever publicly stated who I voted for in any election? As far as I know, it isn't anyone's business who one votes for in an election.

[shrunken]

No, I'm just making the observation that someone who virtually always sides with conservatives on this board is not an independent in any practical sense. And that I've seen that flimsy defense enough times that it's gotten boring.

Being independent only means you are not specifically aligned with any party. It has no bearing on where you fall on the spectrum of right vs. left. Many independents are far left of center, some are centrists, and some are so right wing that nobody is willing to own them but themselves.

Maybe you two should work on nomenclature before you start prodding each other.

[Allybeboba]

Because it's not seen as the government "suppressing" our free press, it's the government saying campaign should halt one day before the vote. Plenty of time has been dedicated to talk about issues, one day to let people pause & reflect is generally welcomed.

Of course it is. The media is blacked out for nearly two days. If that isn't media suppression I don't know what is. People have just learned to accept it over the years. In fact, people are actually arguing for it. That is what is unbelievable.
Arguing for the government suppression of the media instead of against it.

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Yeah I'm not going to waste my time doing that when the evidence is plain as day for anyone to see. Besides, your defensiveness is revealing here, are you trying to imply that my accusing you of being a doctrinaire conservative is an insult? Because on that point, we do agree, and if you would like to become an actual independent voter and post your own thoughts rather than regurgitating right wing propaganda, everyone on this board would be happy to see that.

Kek...
Another person that just "knows" but can't produce evidence. Carry on.

Let me guess, this "right wing propaganda" is right up there with "fake news" isn't it?

[Spectral]

Nope, was the Russians again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721796.html

Russia is swiftly becoming the enemy of Democracy just like the USSR was.

I find the idea that making political communication transparent is damaging to democracy intriguing. It's probably true, but if it is, it really speaks volumes about the actors within democratic systems that they light of day is dangerous to them.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

As I thought, it seems like this will have no impact for now. When Macron goes in, I believe we may see more light on it, although I do wonder if the forged documents will make it unreliable. Certainly there must be a way to validate which is which?

PS: Wikileaks is not behind the publishing of these. They've barely commented on them.

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Of course it is. The media is blacked out for nearly two days. If that isn't media suppression I don't know what is. People have just learned to accept it over the years. In fact, people are actually arguing for it. That is what is unbelievable.
Arguing for the government suppression of the media instead of against it.

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Kek...
Another person that just "knows" but can't produce evidence. Carry on.

You still on about this? Jesus. Right ok, let's get it clear. Over this side of the ocean, we have a different views of both elections and the citizens. Over here, elections isn't a sport, we're a bit more respectful. We're also more respectful towards our citizens, giving them a bit of peace before voting so that they can think with their own head and make up their mind. I know it sounds absurd for someone coming from a country that has a political system comparable to a third world banana republic but yeah... That's what normal societies do.

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Nope, was the Russians again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721796.html

Russia is swiftly becoming the enemy of Democracy just like the USSR was.

Ah so it's the same invented group that allegedly fucked up clinton. So it really is coming in from the us. Weird.

[Allybeboba]

You still on about this? Jesus. Right ok, let's get it clear. Over this side of the ocean, we have a different views of both elections and the citizens. Over here, elections isn't a sport, we're a bit more respectful. We're also more respectful towards our citizens, giving them a bit of peace before voting so that they can think with their own head and make up their mind. I know it sounds absurd for someone coming from a country that has a political system comparable to a third world banana republic but yeah... That's what normal societies do.

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Ah so it's the same invented group that allegedly fucked up clinton. So it really is coming in from the us. Weird.

Anti America rant all you like, it is still government media suppression and people are defending it.

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[ReD-EyeD]

Nope, was the Russians again.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721796.html

Russia is swiftly becoming the enemy of Democracy just like the USSR was.

Which is based on what? Allegations of such interference are based on supposition and paranoia, not on established proof and facts.

Hurr durr Russians did it again hurr durr.

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Anti America rant all you like, it is still government media suppression and people are defending it.

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It's not. It's just you embarrassing yourself in front of everyone. How is criticizing your RIDICULOUS election process being "anti american"?

[Deleted]

That change nothing for us.

I dont understand the usefulness of the thread, except to say and repeat that Russia has hacked a French political party, on documents that are neither sensitive nor "interesting". Is just the normal course of a French campaign.

I dont know if its worse to debate a useless thing than not to understand 99% of "stolen" docs.

Doh ! Russia has hacked a French Political Party. Any important docs, any revelation, any risk for the party, any change on the polls.

So, who care?

[JohnBrown1917]

Which is based on what? Allegations of such interference are based on supposition and paranoia, not on established proof and facts.

Hurr durr Russians did it again hurr durr.

They have the most reasons to do it, though. But its probably American Alt-reichers.

[Acidbaron]

Anti America rant all you like, it is still government media suppression and people are defending it.

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You are correct we should all adopt the american system where parties try to remove the rights of people to vote to obtain a more secure victory, they do allow slinging shit at each other till the very last day, so i guess you got that going for you. The only oppression here might be the blockage somewhere in your upstairs department i'm afraid.

[ReD-EyeD]

They have the most reasons to do it, though. But its probably American Alt-reichers.

The whole "Russians did it" is just so funny to me. The only thing that it's based on is some cyrillic symbols in the code.

It's basically the same as finding burrito on a bank robbery scene and blaming mexicans because of it. Then it happens again with the same burrito on the floor.

[JohnBrown1917]

The whole "Russians did it" is just so funny to me. The only thing that it's based on is some cyrillic symbols in the code.

It's basically the same as finding burrito on a bank robbery scene and blaming mexicans because of it. Then it happens again with the same burrito on the floor.

How is it funny? Its a very real possibility.

[Allybeboba]

It's not. It's just you embarrassing yourself in front of everyone. How is criticizing your RIDICULOUS election process being "anti american"?

How am I embarrassing myself?
You did not even criticize the process my friend.
Now how about that two day government media suppression that everyone defends? People just accept it and move on. At least you aren't defending it I see. I have to go for now. Have a wonderful day!

[Deleted]

How is it funny? Its a very real possibility.

It's funny because it's an idiotic claim that's starts off a made up claim born in the US. They haven't even proven the Russian done it in the US, they're already claiming its Russians in France.
Simply put, this is a story made up for idiots. Unfortunately for us, the push behind le pen is all homemade. Yes we fucked up THAT bad.