Ex-communist states complain of rip-off food in EU

[Elegiac]

Flooding Eastern Europe with inferior and more expensive products from the same Brands is not "general economic development".

Again, if local products are cheaper and better quality why aren't people buying those.

Unless your premise is that people from Eastern Europe are bumfuck retarded, it makes absolutely no sense.

[sarahtasher]

Flooding Eastern Europe with inferior and more expensive products from the same Brands is not "general economic development".

Cybran, do you actually think Bulgaria had the choice of accepting Russian goods or not ?

[LMuhlen]

You can't compete if they are investing money and making their product cheaper and/or better. I don't see how selling it low quality and high cost would prevent competition.

If that's what's available, then I can only imagine that, should the Germans not be there to supply products, it would be even worse.

[Cybran]

Again, if local products are cheaper and better quality why aren't people buying those.

Big chains drive smaller local stores out of business, then stock up only on German products and local producers go out of business too. It's a targeted approach to take over EU markets.

[Elegiac]

Big chains drive smaller local stores out of business, then stock up only on German products and local producers go out of business too. It's a targeted approach to take over EU markets.

I ask again; how are they driving stores out of business if they are offering inferior products at higher prices.

And if you don't like it, get your corrupt government to pass some regulations.

[Cybran]

Cybran, do you actually think Bulgaria had the choice of accepting Russian goods or not ?

We used to import mainly Oil and Raw materials from Russia. Russia was losing money by trading with us to keep is happy. Germany is doing the exact opposite.

[Endus]

Flooding Eastern Europe with inferior and more expensive products from the same Brands is not "general economic development".

You've made zero connections between that training subsidy and any such "flooding".

And I repeat that the claims of such a "flooding" are implausible by their very nature, since you're arguing that somehow, German companies are convincing Eastern Europeans to buy more expensive, shittier imports, rather than buying local, which is cheaper and higher quality. That's not an argument that makes the least bit of economic sense, and your question would be better directed at the Eastern Europeans who are making such bad decisions, since there's no reason for it by your own argument.

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Big chains drive smaller local stores out of business, then stock up only on German products and local producers go out of business too. It's a targeted approach to take over EU markets.

The way big chains drive smaller stores out of business is by selling things cheaper than those local stores.

You've been claiming from the beginning that these imports are more expensive.

Basic economics argues against your entire conspiracy theory.

It's particularly silly when you link stories about Ukrainian egg farmers whose complaint is that they don't get more access to the EU markets, as if that supports your wild assertions.

[Kalis]

Big chains drive smaller local stores out of business, then stock up only on German products and local producers go out of business too. It's a targeted approach to take over EU markets.

Didactic claims to be a socialist, but has a remarkably corporatist stance when it comes to the EU.

I think someone told them that the EU was left wing, so they feel they have to defend it like a partisan. Perhaps someone should tell him, but then again, watching a rabid left winger defending the EU is mildly amusing.

[sarahtasher]

We used to import mainly Oil and Raw materials from Russia. Russia was losing money by trading with us to keep is happy. Germany is doing the exact opposite.

Yeah. In the real world, ''trading'' North Korean kimchi or Cuban sugar for MiGs parts is not really working.

That said, no one really prevent you (or prevented, there are some limited sanctions) to purchase Russian oil in 2017-they just want to be paid.

[Endus]

Didactic claims to be a socialist, but has a remarkably corporatist stance when it comes to the EU.

I think someone told them that the EU was left wing, so they feel they have to defend it like a partisan. Perhaps someone should tell him, but then again, watching a rabid left winger defending the EU is mildly amusing.

If you asked me if it's good that big corporations drive smaller companies out of business, I'd say "no".

The point here is that Cybran is making an argument that none of his sources support and which makes no economic or rational sense in any way whatsoever. And when challenged, he cites sources he hasn't read that complain that Eastern Europe isn't getting enough access to the EU markets, not too much.

[Elegiac]

Didactic claims to be a socialist, but has a remarkably corporatist stance when it comes to the EU.

I think someone told them that the EU was left wing, so they feel they have to defend it like a partisan. Perhaps someone should tell him, but then again, watching a rabid left winger defending the EU is mildly amusing.

Please learn the difference between an 'is' and 'ought' argument before spouting this drivel.

[Cybran]

Didactic claims to be a socialist, but has a remarkably corporatist stance when it comes to the EU.

I think someone told them that the EU was left wing, so they feel they have to defend it like a partisan. Perhaps someone should tell him, but then again, watching a rabid left winger defending the EU is mildly amusing.

The problem with Didactic is that he is a bigot first. He sees Eastern Europe as backwards and needing a LIBERAL hand to lead it. This Liberal hand is Germany and France to some extend.

After Eastern Europe is forced to accept his values and only after that it will have the same rights as the rest of Europe.

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I'm from Czech Republic. Elections are coming and politicians want to be seen .... and this is just another example of how politicians try to get easy votes "because EU is Evil and we will protect you". And problem is in the people themselves, because they buy cheap trash. Same brand, same prdouct, different composition, but everything is shown on the product packaging..... thats all

[Elegiac]

The problem with Didactic is that he is a bigot first. He sees Eastern Europe as backwards and needing a LIBERAL hand to lead it. This Liberal hand his Germany and France to some extend.

After Eastern Europe is forced to accept his values and only after that it will have the same rights as the rest of Europe.

My values of not having corrupt or incompetent governments, sure.

I feel the same way about Eastern Europe as I do about the American South, ultimately; a collection of political entities constantly acting against their self-interest for the sake of ideology that have to be propped up economically by the core states for the sake of the welfare of the people living there.

[Heladys]

Germany is subsidizing those chains to take out local production. You can't compete with that.

Worse products at higher prices. Yep, sure sounds like an existential danger to your local production.

[Kiri]

Didactic claims to be a socialist, but has a remarkably corporatist stance when it comes to the EU.

I think someone told them that the EU was left wing, so they feel they have to defend it like a partisan. Perhaps someone should tell him, but then again, watching a rabid left winger defending the EU is mildly amusing.

It is not that black and white, really. Socialism can be about the re-distribution of wealth. Corporations can have a place in a somewhat socialist system, especially in economies like Germany, France, but also Japan. Coordinated market economies often allow corporations a relatively high degree of freedom, while also making sure that wealth is distributed in a more socialist manner.

[Kalis]

If you asked me if it's good that big corporations drive smaller companies out of business, I'd say "no".

The point here is that Cybran is making an argument that none of his sources support and which makes no economic or rational sense in any way whatsoever. And when challenged, he cites sources he hasn't read that complain that Eastern Europe isn't getting enough access to the EU markets, not too much.

The Eastern Europeans are a source of cheap labour and a place to flog sub-standard goods. The EU is a business heaven, that is why people like me supported it, it makes me money, the same reason why corporations want it. It is not for the benefit of small shopkeepers and the like, they get fucked by it.

Small Eastern European companies could not hope to compete against Western companies that have been playing this game for decades, opening up their markets was never going to benefit the likes of Cryban. If he is lucky he gets to work on minimum wage for a multinational, that is his future.

[Endus]

The Eastern Europeans are a source of cheap labour and a place to flog sub-standard goods. The EU is a business heaven, that is why people like me supported it, it makes me money, the same reason why corporations want it. It is not for the benefit of small shopkeepers and the like, they get fucked by it.

Small Eastern European companies could not hope to compete against Western companies that have been playing this game for decades, opening up their markets was never going to benefit the likes of Cryban. If he is lucky he gets to work on minimum wage for a multinational, that is his future.

There's definitely valid discussions to be had, in that respect. I'm just pointing out that the specifics of this argument didn't hold up to scrutiny.

If the big multinationals are driving local shops out of business, it's gonna be because they're providing stuff cheaper, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for the economy, even if there's a cost to locally-run businesses.

[Kalis]

It is not that black and white, really. Socialism can be about the re-distribution of wealth. Corporations can have a place in a somewhat socialist system, especially in economies like Germany, France, but also Japan. Coordinated market economies often allow corporations a relatively high degree of freedom, while also making sure that wealth is distributed in a more socialist manner.

Redistribution of wealth? They get thrown crumbs. I get thrown bigger crumbs, but I supply services to multinationals, so the EU is more beneficial for me than someone like Cryban.

[Chosenone1]

It's because these Eastern European countries have much poorer food standards. Most likely, the food is "adapted" towards their countries food standards, because it's likely it's cheaper for them. I doubt there's a law against it. It's probably the opposites, that laws are favoring that.

It's not the EU that's a pile of shit, it's their own countries. It's also the food companies that are involved in this, not the EU. The EU just makes the rules.
But of course, these Eastern Eurpoean countries love to play the victim card rather than look inward. It's always someone elses fault with them.

But yeah sure the EU is a big conspiracy, a big evil bad guy out to selectively victimize countries for no reason. Except no, that makes no fucking sense.
If local products are so damned superior they'd be dominating the market. But they aren't. Because the problem lies with their own countries, their own legislation.

Dude its same situation in Croatia,Nuttela has more sugar here then in germany,milka also.Everything is cut in it,just more sugar added.Month ago i got german nuttela from a friend and wanted to see declaration of both.One from germany,another croatia.

German one has 13% nuts,better spreaded on bread or pancages,best fucking nuttela in my life,doesnt turn into a fucking stone that u need to melt in microwave after a week just to spread on bread because it turns into a fucking brick.

Btw bread also has more added salt here and its not made from better class grain.Croatia nuttela that i have was 0.3% nuts and that was in fucking traces with milk.Sugar amount was double,cocoa powder also less.U dont know shit.Same with crackers,washing products,even cars.Ppl are going over border to buy cars because its better quality.We are getting less quality products that are more expensive then in western europe.U think local food production cant compete?We can but regulations from EU are limiting that.Our milk farms are closing,just in my town 80% closed in 2 years,all cows are slauthered just because france and germany,mostly france cant compete with our cheaper milk and class 1 milk.Yeah producing class 1 milk cheaper then frances and germany 2 or 3 class milk.

Dont get me started with russia sanctions how many tons of fruits,meat and other food we destroyed because sanctions and now russia is becoming biggest food producer and distibution in croatia.they just walked in over debt and eu didnt do shit.Fishing regulations,oil regulations,regulations of everything.Tell me were is free market now?Are not the same in EU,can other countries put regulations on france or german production of anything?

Eu killed my town in 2 years,already half of town is moving to ireland,canada or australiaincluding me in 5 days to ireland because of regulations,no jobs at all.Why when our farmers take loan its 12% intrest but when german or france take its 2-4% in same fucking bank.U dont know shit/EU is pile of crap that only serves mostly germany,then france,no wonder British ppl voted for leave,Eu regulations were killing them in every sector.