EU at the breaking point

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I haven't heard ANYONE call British people "stupid racists" tbh,

A lot of people are thinking it to be fair.

[Morae]

The thing with smaller members of EU leaving isn't so "no one cares". If one leaves, then others view it as "we can do so too". EU feels like a burden. If one decides "i'm out", it may quickly go to point where others decide the same.

[Krille]

Glorious EU solidarity right there.

Wasn't one of the goals of the EU to end prejudice against fellow Europeans? XD

It's difficult when a shit-tier country is shitting on even shittier countries and think they're part of western europe standards. They're delusional. Eastern Europe is a shithole, mostly cus they still suffer from soviet times, but also because they elect retarded politicians cus "muh nationalism".

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A lot of people are thinking it to be fair.

I've said it many times. The union-jack humping retards in the UK that voted Brexit are racists. That's the only reason they voted for it. They have absolutely no clue what EU is or what it does, they just wanted that noisy pole (insert eastern european) out of the country.

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Find it funny that the UK said 'we will have divorce/future relations talks in parallel' then two hours into negotations : UK and EU have agreed to two-phase exit - divorce then future relations.

The UK is weak. The EU is strong.

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I've said it many times. The union-jack humping retards in the UK that voted Brexit are racists. That's the only reason they voted for it. They have absolutely no clue what EU is or what it does, they just wanted that noisy pole (insert eastern european) out of the country.

There was about 5-15% of the population who were doing it on anti-austerity grounds or national sovereignity or some other issue which wasn't xenophobia. You can usually tell who those people are because they don't come out with slogans they don't understand from the Mail.
That aside, you hit the nail on the head.

[Slant]

A lot of people are thinking it to be fair.

To be fair a lot of British are thinking of Eastern Europeans as subhuman scum that doesn't belong in their glorious Empire. Luckily most of the people involved have the decency to shut up at a certain point.

[Malacrass]

The thing with smaller members of EU leaving isn't so "no one cares". If one leaves, then others view it as "we can do so too". EU feels like a burden. If one decides "i'm out", it may quickly go to point where others decide the same.

Letting certain members constantly cherry pick is a lot more harmful, especially when they bring little / nothing to the table.

No one will cry if Czech or Poland leave the union, no one. If anyting it brings the rest even closer together, see Germany/France/Italy/ NL after Brexit - and Britain is actually a country with weight.

[Airlick]

Just like Hungary and Poland would leave right? Nah they won't, they know well enough how good the free money streams to their countries are.

For example Czech currently pays €1.3 billion the EU but receives €7.0 billion in grants. Them leaving is simply not going to happen because money is not something one gives up easily. Pretty much, just some idiotic tabloid that thinks they have a story when they don't.

Czech isn't Poland and Hungary. Poland's net benefit is nowhere near 7x as much as the contribution. In fact, Poland is going to start contributing more than earning in future years. And then, as others said, regulations hurt the market.

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Ssshh, you'll ruin the magical narrative about the EU. It can do no wrong. Those wishing to leave are idiots.

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To be fair a lot of British are thinking of Eastern Europeans as subhuman scum that doesn't belong in their glorious Empire. Luckily most of the people involved have the decency to shut up at a certain point.

Yeah, I read this pew poll too

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So, we are moving from election results (disastrous) to "whataboutism" regarding the EU supposed "Breaking"? What next? Future telling and witchcraft?

You really are getting desperate with your smaller by the day "popular" force

[Molis]

No other countries in the EU will care if Czech leaves.
Czech is one of those countries that cost more money to the EU than they provide, so in fact the EU will be better for it (and Czech worse).

Interesting. Just like some of our States.
Looking at you New Mexico

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They EU has its flaws but leaving isnt gonna get you anywhere.

[Sakki]

They EU has its flaws but leaving isnt gonna get you anywhere.

Nobody is leaving anything... just because something EU does is not popular doesnt mean we are going to leave. We dont follow quotas, others dont follow them too just slightly less, some dont follow Dublin Regulations and others ignore European Fiscal Compact. If they ll punish us, i have no problem, but they should punished all those others transgressions too.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

You are talking about the US right?

No. The German ruled Europe of today.

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No. The German ruled Europe of today.

Generally the EU is (arguably) led by Brussels, which isn't even in Germany, by a representation of individuals chosen to represent their countries.

I can't expect a 21st century American to understand what political goodwill is, but that trait, seldom understood by financiers and tycoons, is the reason people generally do what Germany suggests, mostly because they seem to have good ideas and have so far proven to be a decent leader. If Germany somehow elects a complete retard, you can all too well expect the narrative changing quickly.

Are they perfect, hell no - the Euro is a massive economic boost to Germany's economy, and mostly Germany's. Their surplus is hurting some countries' economies badly, but in return they get support from the EU to grow and expand. And their beer is ridiculously overhyped.

So far, despite what people have verbally defecated over the internet, nobody from the EU has said, "Do as we say, or we cut your money off." Even Greece's situation is a lot more complicated than that, which you'll find out if you'd bothered reading on it.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Generally the EU is (arguably) led by Brussels, which isn't even in Germany, by a representation of individuals chosen to represent their countries.

I can't expect a 21st century American to understand what political goodwill is, but that trait, seldom understood by financiers and tycoons, is the reason people generally do what Germany suggests, mostly because they seem to have good ideas and have so far proven to be a decent leader. If Germany somehow elects a complete retard, you can all too well expect the narrative changing quickly.

Are they perfect, hell no - the Euro is a massive economic boost to Germany's economy, and mostly Germany's. Their surplus is hurting some countries' economies badly, but in return they get support from the EU to grow and expand. And their beer is ridiculously overhyped.

So far, despite what people have verbally defecated over the internet, nobody from the EU has said, "Do as we say, or we cut your money off." Even Greece's situation is a lot more complicated than that, which you'll find out if you'd bothered reading on it.

Blah blah blah... German rule. I understand.

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Blah blah blah... German rule. I understand.

Spot on critisism on my points, of course. Well argumented retorts on the value of new markets to economy, and beautifully elaborated, yet candid, description of the flaws in the European Union.

Yeah, point is that EU isn't going anywhere, because most people who actually read, and have engaged in at least some conversation with people from other countries realise that it's simply the best political construct to have existed in Europe. Of course, it shouldn't get complacent, and it should realise it's quite far from perfect.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Just wanted to be sure that you were ignorant.

Just wanted to confirm your opinion means nothing...

...and confirmed.

[Ianus]

Every acceding EU member knew the deals and obligations. They accepted them, that is if they even barely read them and didn't skim the "nasty parts" in favour of the new shininess on the horizon. There are many problems which Dublin did not solve and outright ignored them because simply it was one of those things that didn't evolve around trade and commerce. Spreading asylum seekers according to one member state's population looked nice on paper would have ultimately failed because of the freedom of movement thing which the EU abides too.
Ultimately every member of the EU is bound by international human rights agreements which makes it even more difficult because the solutions which some parties are looking for are really lacking the humanitarian aspect in favour of "keeping the flood at bay". The Faustian deal which the EU made with Turkey is about the only and best short-gap solution they could come up with in order to prevent something that would have stained the EU and a lot EU members, Germany foremost, further for sitting things out and trying to exempt from responsibility and leaving a few "unfortunate" border states fencing for control whilst also being cash-strapped due to austerity obligations whilst also daisy-chaining humanitarian crises.
Italy and Greece, and even Spain, have been dealing with this far longer than 2015 (the year in which Merkel issued the statement). It just happened under the radar and the motto: "Thanks a lot for living 1500 km away...and if you want to hear my most noble-of-all advice: Drown or shoot these animals, please, or take it up with PETA - the NGO responsible for these...wretches (I am a human, btw, best human EU too).".
Unfortunately it's all the result of ignored warnings, the conflicts in the Middle East are finally coming to fruition and then there's the warning of millions of climate refugees from Africa looming on the horizon which always has been warned before since the early 1990s actually. Nobody can't claim they didn't know about it and that they didn't have time to counter-act.



So? As per this journal entry there is no obligation for asylum seekers to apply in the state where they first entered only that they can only apply once because the first member state in which the applicant files for acceptance would be obliged to take care of him. There are discretionary clauses which even allow making exemptions on humanitarian grounds. Hungary wanted them to apply in Hungary whilst most of them wanted to apply in Germany. Which is not what Hungary would have been able to do under the current system, in fact they even didn't want any of them to apply anywhere in the EU at which point they would have been obliged for lodging and giving out temporary-stay visas whilst they could have otherwise simply have deported them, cue in the new shiny NATO fence.
If the treaty explicitly stated that you could only make applications in the first member state you were entering then things would have been different. The system did not work efficiently or properly and it was constantly under criticism of the ECRE and UNCHR and her saying that or not wouldn't have changed much in the long term. That isn't to say I agree with her making this ad-hoc statement given there has been zero preparation or legal ground work and procedures done for that, given that it was pretty much a U turn of her - one of many and that she fuelled right-wing populism with the way how things were handled after or how things developed. She should have done that step 7 years earlier and much of this chaos that ensued would have been prevent and probably Dublin would have looked a lot differently.

well for my country which was in eu and not in euro zone schengen worked flawlessly wonder why it didnt worked for immigrants and when hungary said that will execute schengen to the letter they screamed nazis lollllll... hypocrites and now everyone cries because terrorist attacks in western countries ...if you didnt allow ghettoization immigrants from north africa and middle east maybe just maybe it wouldnt happen