US Shoots Down Syrian Plane

[Deleted]

There is also still a Greek civilization.

Their ancestors would roll in their graves if they could see what their descendants have done to their country.

[Kellhound]

Their ancestors would roll in their graves if they could see what their descendants have done to their country.

The same could be said of China up until the past two decades or so.

[Deleted]

The same could be said of China up until the past two decades or so.

Pre-WW2 China did nothing wrong.

[downnola]

So if you look at the Syria live map yesterday the SAA were not in resafa(they must have taken it this morning). Its key to getting to Deir ez zor but also cutting off Raqqa from the south (which is where ISIS have an escape route). There is massive action there at the moment, the SDF want it because it means they are in control of Raqqa (which would be a huge scalp for the US) But if the SDF get it, the SAA will be cut off from most of the east which they wont allow to happen.

click jump to map a zoom out a bit for a decent idea of what the ground looks like.

The SDF have been fighting and reclaiming territory from ISIS with the assistance of the U.S. led international coalition for the past two years. According to the SDF and U.S. led coalition, this little clash began because pro-Assad forces have been attacking the SDF around the villages outside of Raqqa. The air attack in question was obviously not directed at ISIS targets according to the map you linked me. I'm not sure how this information contradicts my earlier post. You started off with "that's not how it happened," but your link suggests that it actually did go down how the SDF claimed it did.

[Shalcker]

The only thing they are doing is killing other afgans, same as isis only killing other muslims.

Oh Really?

[Seezer]

Is ele getting anymore buffs? I mean 3% increase in damage is okay, but what about our T20 bonuses? They're probably the shittiest of all the classes.

[ParanoiD84]

Oh Really?

That's nothing compared to how many afgan civilians they kill. But sure it does happend here and there and yeah all they can pull of are insider attacks like that so they are no threat to the us.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/mi...oll/index.html

[Deleted]

Is ele getting anymore buffs? I mean 3% increase in damage is okay, but what about our T20 bonuses? They're probably the shittiest of all the classes.

3% is like nothing, Arcane should get a 50% buff in order to be competetive.

[Shalcker]

The SDF have been fighting and reclaiming territory from ISIS with the assistance of the U.S. led international coalition for the past two years. According to the SDF and U.S. led coalition, this little clash began because pro-Assad forces have been attacking the SDF around the villages outside of Raqqa. The air attack in question was obviously not directed at ISIS targets according to the map you linked me. I'm not sure how this information contradicts my earlier post. You started off with "that's not how it happened," but your link suggests that it actually did go down how the SDF claimed it did.

How exactly do you see "obviously not directed at ISIS targets"? :/

There are no Su22 targets marked on map. And only SAA movement in the area is taking territory from ISIS, not SDF :/

[Deleted]

The SDF have been fighting and reclaiming territory from ISIS with the assistance of the U.S. led international coalition for the past two years. According to the SDF and U.S. led coalition, this little clash began because pro-Assad forces have been attacking the SDF around the villages outside of Raqqa. The air attack in question was obviously not directed at ISIS targets according to the map you linked me. I'm not sure how this information contradicts my earlier post. You started off with "that's not how it happened," but your link suggests that it actually did go down how the SDF claimed it did.

The clashes are happening at/around rasafa which has now been captured by SAA (from ISIS).

The US statement says it started when SDF got hit in J'din, but the SDF never held J'din. the SAA had it. So for there to be a conflict it would be the SDF pushing south to contest rasafa, so defensive isn't exactly what I'd call it.

[Shalcker]

That's nothing compared to how many afgan civilians they kill.

They kill more US-allied afghan forces, sure.

And once US leaves they'll take over country again.

But sure it does happend here and there and yeah all they can pull of are insider attacks like that so they are no threat to the us.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/06/mi...oll/index.html

Only there is no way for US to win there, surge or no surge.

At best they can "not lose" for a while. Though even that isn't certain really if Taliban agents can be literally anywhere and have insider knowledge.

[ParanoiD84]

They kill more US-allied afghan forces, sure.

And once US leaves they'll take over country again.

Only there is no way for US to win there, surge or no surge.

At best they can "not lose" for a while.

Yeah im not sure what the game plan is there but it's going to take a while. Training the afghan troops does not seem to work that well.

[Kellhound]

Pre-WW2 China did nothing wrong.

That is a meaningless statement.

[Deleted]

That is a meaningless statement.

It's a true statement.

[downnola]

The clashes are happening at/around rasafa which has now been captured by SAA (from ISIS).

The US statement says it started when SDF got hit in J'din, but the SDF never held J'din. the SAA had it. So for there to be a conflict it would be the SDF pushing south to contest rasafa, so defensive isn't exactly what I'd call it.

The map you linked claims the SDF lost Ja'din and then regained in the last 10 hours. There are also skirmishes south of Al-Thawrah, which is under SDF control.

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How exactly do you see "obviously not directed at ISIS targets"? :/

There are no Su22 targets marked on map. And only SAA movement in the area is taking territory from ISIS, not SDF :/

ISIS doesn't control any of the villages south of Al-Thawrah do they?

[Raunchy]

Why are we over there in those wastelands isnt it just a waste of time and reources

[Jastall]

Pre-WW2 China did nothing wrong.

Pre-WW2 China (and WW2 China for that natter) was a technological backwater that faced endless internal revolts since the medieval era. The one dynasty that stood strong in the past centuries weren't even Han but Manchus.

[Rasulis]

Dafuq? What have they been doing between 2001 and 2011, especially 2003?

Nobody want to face them in the sky. They would rather hide their airplanes than tangle with US combat airplanes. I am not joking.

That Syrian pilot probably never even see the U.S. airplane that shoot him down on his radar.

[Deleted]

The map you linked claims the SDF lost Ja'din and then regained in the last 10 hours. There are also skirmishes south of Al-Thawrah, which is under SDF control.

ISIS doesn't control any of the villages south of Al-Thawrah do they?

No Jdin was ISIS controlled then the SAA take it which means they win the race to rasafa . Go back a few days and you'll see that the SAA have zerg rushed it to cut off the SDF so that the SAA doesn't lose the east.

Last week : https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/time/12.06.2017
This week : https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/time/19.06.2017

That area south of Al-Thawrah has been captured from isis by the SAA.

[Kellhound]

It's a true statement.

I didnt say it was false, just meaningless.

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Why are we over there in those wastelands isnt it just a waste of time and reources

To prevent the spread of Iranian and Russian influence in the area.