Active shooter on Las Vegas strip.

[chazus]

if someone's going to ILLEGALLY modify a weapon chances are what they are doing is illegal in the first place.

That's the thing. The legality on it is... sketchy, and also different in every state.

If the gun itself were modified to support automatic mode, that's illegal.
If the gun simply has a trigger attachment that produces similar results of automatic.. That may not be illegal, because the gun itself isn't modified (I actually don't know the law regarding this)

But it is significantly easier to buy a legal gun, and mod it, than it is to buy a pre-modified or altered weapon. Thats where the narrative comes in.

Modified, illegal weapons, will circulate amongst bad groups no matter what the law is, they aren't confined by it (merely subject to economies). Legal weapons to be later modded can be affected by laws.

[Deleted]

It wasn't. They were legal weapons bought in nevada, and modified.

Ok, thats just pure idiocity of Nevada then.

[chazus]

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/5-56-vs-223/

Read through that. Everyone would constantly say either 223 or 556, where i picked up the bad habit of swapping the two, i wasnt trying to beat my chest, just giving you insight, so dont be so pretentious.

It's hilarious because the actual article you linked even SHOWS the differences between the two. And that they can fire differently.

Is the ammo interchangeable in some cases? Sure. But you're going to run into problems, and there are issues. These guys weren't testing consecutive 50-100 rounds. But there are also plenty of cases where overpressure has caused weapon damage, which is why the barrel (which they remind you of, in the article) should use the designed ammo.

[Slant]

This a gun control thread now?

More pistols, less rifles.

Do you have any questions about the actual shooting that you'd like to discuss?

[chazus]

Ok, thats just pure idiocity of Nevada then.

A lot of states are like that. Unfortunately, there is very, very little stopping a person with no felony record to simply go pick up a gun today, order an auto mod of some kind, slap it on, and... well.. You see what happened.

[Schattenlied]

Yes, however the point of note is the narrative involved that a lot of people are using regarding gun control.

Gun control won't really make a huge dent in already illegal weapons (buying, selling, trading, etc).

which is what he would have turned to if he couldn't get one legally.

Why are we manufacturing automatic kits

automatic kits (like an auto-sear for an M4/M16) aren't for sale legally, posession of one is just as illegal is posession of a machinegun unless you have a license to manufacture a machinegun in the first place... Pretty sure this guy didn't have a class 3 FFL.

and 100 round magazines?

any dumbass with a cheap 3d printer can make a magazine, it's entirely irrelevant if we manufacture them or not.

I don't even think the crank-bump mods are illegal to use.

They aren't illegal (but they should be if select fire is, they do the same thing in the end, more or less), but they fire... irregularly, it's not difficult to discern between actual automatic fire, which is consistent with it's timing between shots, and bump fire, which is not... Video I've listened too sounded far too consistent to be a bump fire... Of course I could be wrong.

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http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/5-56-vs-223/

Read through that

"The exterior (physical) dimensions of .223 and 5.56 ammunition are effectively identical."

Key piece there for you, dimentions are identicle, im not sure why youre arguing against this?

Also, i said i learned that information in the military, where i was always supplied with 9mm (my side arm as an officer) and .556 for my M4. Everyone would constantly say either 223 or 556, where i picked up the bad habit of swapping the two, i wasnt trying to beat my chest, just giving you insight, so dont be so pretentious.

exterior dimensions.

Things you don't see are on the inside, like one having a thicker casing because it's loaded at higher pressure... That's why they tell you not to shoot 5.56 through a gun marked for .223... Same reason they tell you not to shoot commercial .308 through old 7.62 NATO enfileld rifles, because they aren't built to handle the higher pressure .308.

They aren't the same, they are just extremely similar.

[Deleted]

doesn't gunfire make a distinct loud sound?

If I am correct that's only the case when a bullet crosses a other object. (Wall,mountain) to ricochet the Soundwave.
Snipers use this tactic to conceal their hidingspot etc.

[chazus]

which is what he would have turned to if he couldn't get one legally.

Honestly, a semi-auto with a massive magazine would have had the same result.

automatic kits aren't for sale, to my knowledge, unless you have a license to manufacture a machinegun in the first place... Pretty sure this guy didn't have a class 3 FFL

I meant the pseudo automatic (like the crank, or hellfire, or bump stocks/trigger mods)

any dumbass with a cheap 3d printer can make a magazine, it's entirely irrelevant if we manufacture them or not.

While technically true.. You can't just go buy a $500 3d printer and pop one out. A fair bit of testing, design, and research would need to go into it.

They aren't illegal (but they should be if select fire is, they do the same thing in the end, more or less), but they fire... irregularly, it's not difficult to discern between actual automatic fire, which is consistent with it's timing between shots, and bump fire, which is not... Video I've listened too sounded far too consistent to be a bump fire... Of course I could be wrong.

It's honestly hard to tell. So far all we know is that the 'weapon was modified' and there were reports saying that rate of fire changed from time to time. That could simply have been two different weapons. Again, details are still sketchy.

[Slant]

I know about the study, I have posted it in the past.

But we elect politicians (like Trump) that continue the status quo, and people still support the NRA which is indirectly causing these deaths. I refuse to be "sensitive" to things I have no control over and in a large part self-inflicted thanks to the 2nd amendment, and our culture. If the death of kids did not change the law this will not either.

My family lives in Las Vegas, so I have a personal stake in this as well, but, again, worrying about things I cannot change is irrational.

You speak the truth, man.

[Toogoodman]

It's hilarious because the actual article you linked even SHOWS the differences between the two. And that they can fire differently.

Is the ammo interchangeable in some cases? Sure. But you're going to run into problems, and there are issues. These guys weren't testing consecutive 50-100 rounds. But there are also plenty of cases where overpressure has caused weapon damage, which is why the barrel (which they remind you of, in the article) should use the designed ammo.

Barrel and chamber damage due to over pressure damage, my only point being that the rounds were essentially the same in dimension after realizing my original statement was partly false.

[apeiron1234]

They need to find his wife that currently left the country.

[Slant]

While technically true.. You can't just go buy a $500 3d printer and pop one out. A fair bit of testing, design, and research would need to go into it.

https://grabcad.com/library/ar15-10-...magazine-stl-s

Literally 5 seconds on Google...

[Citizen T]

And people who have mental health issues are more likely to do it, you seem to be fine with letting mentally unstable people get guns in the name of their rights. I mean some of them only hear voices what could go wrong /s

And if they hear voices in their head someone should report this person to appropriate authorities. This person can be examined, and if found to be a danger to themselves or others they can be held and processed through the Courts to restrict their Rights.

[DSRilk]

Nevada allows automatic weapons that are in compliance with Federal regulations, just as most states do (pre-1986 registered weapons). A non-NFA complaint automatic weapon would still be be illegal in Nevada.

Yes, but a pre-86 fully automatic weapon are legal if properly registered. Even in the case of NFA compliant weaponry, we're talking about laws requiring that things be registered and properly hamstrung to make them okay for ownership. That means that illegal weapons such as these are far easier to either find or create via modification. As long as the weapons exist and are basically just stripped down in certain areas for compliant sale, there will be plenty of people capable of modifying them to the point of illegality. Regulation doesn't do a whole lot because of this. Add in the myriad sales loopholes, and the regulations are almost pointless. Unless there's basically a full ban, not a lot will change.

[Deleted]

then they can blame the brown people and completely avoid any responsibility for the culture of firearms and not providing mental healthcare that actually caused this :P

Muslims having terror attacks in the name of islam in Europe, the US, and everywhere else in the world. But the culture of firearms in the US is clearly what made him do this. /s

How can everyone even be this stupid?

[Toogoodman]

exterior dimensions.

Things you don't see are on the inside, like one having a thicker casing because it's loaded at higher pressure... That's why they tell you not to shoot 5.56 through a gun marked for .223... Same reason they tell you not to shoot commercial .308 through old 7.62 NATO enfileld rifles, because they aren't built to handle the higher pressure .308.

They aren't the same, they are just extremely similar.

Thats all im saying (after realizing my original assumption of powder was wrong) that exterior dimensions were the same, so thank you.

[Ealyssa]

Exactly, that's why there are parts of the US AND Europe I won't vacation.

Outside of avoiding any nice place there's nothing you can do to avoid it.

And I will certainly not avoid Los Angeles, Las Vegas, New-York, Paris, London, Berlin or Tokyo any time soon.

[Schattenlied]

Honestly, a semi-auto with a massive magazine would have had the same result.

What I meant was if he couldn't get a semi-auto to mod legally, he would have just bought an illegal rifle and modded that, if not straight up bought a full auto illegally. If people were able to get full auto AKs in France, of all places, this guy would have been able to get one here.

While technically true.. You can't just go buy a $500 3d printer and pop one out. A fair bit of testing, design, and research would need to go into it.

Or just download a schematic off the internet while using a VPN.

[docterfreeze]

Do you have any questions about the actual shooting that you'd like to discuss?

No, I'm waiting for the motive.

[Deleted]

Never let a tragedy go to waste. The clueless anti-gun people come out of the woodwork and once again completely miss the point. Hint...put the blame where it belongs: on the shooter.

You keep telling yourself that. With no access to legal firearms to mod this most likely wouldn't happen.
Not bitching on gun laws but don't be so ignorant.