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He knows that it can't melt...never mind.Originally Posted by Hubcap
Very interesting though. Huge explosions would seem counterproductive. It might cause the crowd to panic and disperse before he started to shoot at them. Then again, it could have caused additional chaos, confusing law enforcement further.
I truly don't want to sound apathetic toward the victims, but this is an absolutely fascinating criminal investigation.
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2017-10-05, 02:36 PM #3001Legendary!
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2017-10-05, 02:38 PM #3002Scarab Lord
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There's certainly nothing wrong with reporting tragedies. However, there is a subtle rottenness about framing this shooting as a record breaking event and sensationalizing the act itself. It's almost appears as a challenge to the mentally unhinged to go out make a name for themselves in the same way. Originally Posted by PRE 9-11
- Christopher HitchensPopulists (and "national socialists") look at the supposedly secret deals that run the world "behind the scenes". Child's play. Except that childishness is sinister in adults.
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2017-10-05, 02:50 PM #3003Titan
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I don't think any of his weapons were adequate for 2,000 yards - even if some where 7.62x51 (308) - would still be pushing it @ 1k. The 5.56/223 round sure as hell isn't.
Nor do I think that round could set off a fuel tank if that size anyhow. I can only speculate the idiot realized this after a few shots.
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2017-10-05, 02:55 PM #3004Banned
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It seems like there had to have been another shooter
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2017-10-05, 02:56 PM #3005The Undying
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Originally Posted by TITAN308
About 700 yards. Experts say jet fuel is nearly impossible to ignite without a huge bomb. There was a Mythbusters that had them trying to set a car's gas tank on fire with rounds from an M1 Garand I think, a tank half full of gas wouldn't catch fire. They finally used tracers and it barely caught fire, no explosion..
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2017-10-05, 03:03 PM #3006Titan
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Sorry I misread that as 2000 yards, not 2000 feet. LOL
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2017-10-05, 04:30 PM #3007Over 9000!
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I can't bring myself to care if bumpfire stocks get banned. They're a novelty and provide no real benefit for almost any legal usage of firearms, even target shooting.
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2017-10-05, 04:38 PM #3008Brewmaster
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I'd bet Fox and Lifetime already have scripts finished, if they haven't already started filming. Originally Posted by TITAN308
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2017-10-05, 04:59 PM #3009Titan
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Yea I'm in the same boat. Of course this personally just my own opinion, but I thought they were retarded from the day they came out. Originally Posted by PhaelixWW
I can purchase an actual machine gun now (via Form 4), but to me even those are novelties. Sure the first time you go out and burn through $300 in ammo in 10 minutes might be cute and fun, but beyond that my pocket isn't THAT deep.
Personally I'd gladly trade an all out ban on MGs if it removed suppressors and SBR's from the NFA - but don't tell other gun owners that they would string me up. lol (especially those who have invested tens of thousands into MG collections). Suppressors and SBR's actually have practical use in modern firearms applications.
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2017-10-05, 05:10 PM #3010Herald of the Titans
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Something does seem off about this, especially related to a possible 2nd shooter. Things that seem like red flags to me...
- The girlfriend was out of the country, but it's odd that she keeps saying was a kind gentle guy he was. That conflicts 100% with every waitress or other retail person that saw them together that said he was cruel and demeaning, saying things like "i own you" to her, making her leave the casino room if he was losing, and carrying a cigar he'd light if anyone around him smoked he would blow cigar smoke in their face. Doesn't seem like a great guy, and strange that she's describing him so differently.
- Many/most of the eyewitness calls and police calls that night were claiming 2 shooters from the Mandalay Bay.
- 2 windows in the suite were broken out to shoot from. He could have been switching back and forth, but again a little more support for 2 shooters.
- Police say he planned a getaway and left no suicide note. The note found in the suite sounds like it was just a checklist. Not that suicidal people always leave a note, but it adds to the questions around this.
- Most importantly, cameras showed him in the casino with another mystery woman (2nd shooter?).
I'm not into conspiracy theories, but the longer you look at this one the odds of a 2nd shooter with him in the room seem to be going up. Which if that was the case, it makes you wonder if he didn't kill himself at all. It's possible they both were shooting for 10 minutes or so and at some point the 2nd shooter killed him and took off right before police closed in, leaving it looking like it was all him. There was quite a long delay before police figured out which hotel the fire was coming from, and then longer to figure out the right floor, and longer yet to identify the room. Plenty of time for a 2nd person to do that. Hopefully they can find who that mystery woman was with him on the casino security cameras.
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2017-10-05, 05:17 PM #3011Elemental Lord
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Or he's was used as a cover up. I find it hard to believe that a 64 year old could even physically do what he did. So yea that supports your this theory as well. More I think there may have been even 3 shooters. Listening to the audio from the cab driver sounds at times like two guns were high, and another shooter was low. Originally Posted by Tumaras
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2017-10-05, 05:27 PM #3012Bloodsail Admiral
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Or maybe there was 1 shooter like everyone is saying. Calls to police during those event are always super confuse, guess why, because it's in the middle of a shooting. Originally Posted by Tumaras
Yes he probably plan an escape but when he realize he was done for he just killed himself, it's not super hard to understand.
It also took only 16 min between, the 1st call to police to the police on the door of room...
I really don't understand all this internet detective work crap... What interest would the police have into lying to everyone about the number of shooter that doesn't involved false flag or covering conspiracy shit...
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Or not... it's not the first time a crazy fucker kills a bunch of people for no apparent reason Originally Posted by Stonecloak
you can be 64 year old and be in very good shape, he was not fucking 90 year old...I find it hard to believe that a 64 year old could even physically do what he did.
3 shooters, seriously, what's next... ISIS did it and just put the corpse of the guy there... it's a democrat plan for gun control...So yea that supports your this theory as well. More I think there may have been even 3 shooters. Listening to the audio from the cab driver sounds at times like two guns were high, and another shooter was low.
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CNN does a great job all by themselves of promoting their fake news. The continued russia collusion narrative which has produced what facts exactly? Originally Posted by Orbitus
You can't purchase a bump stock anymore. Slide has stopped any sales on the items. I don't think they ever intended it to be used in the way it was in las vegas but people that want to kill don't care about that. People that want to kill other people will just find another way to accomplish their sick agenda.Last edited by Barnabas; 2017-10-05 at 05:45 PM.
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2017-10-05, 05:30 PM #3014The Insane
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No, no... ISIS is just the patsy. It was Hillary Clinton and her KungFu Commandos. Originally Posted by Kalador
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2017-10-05, 05:33 PM #3015Bloodsail Admiral
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Every time that shit come up it makes me think of that Originally Posted by Kujako
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI
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2017-10-05, 05:36 PM #3016The Insane
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Reminds me of something Penn Jillette once said about being on talk shows like Real Time. Paraphrasing, "there's always a centralist, a leftist and a right wing guest and then one wack job. One day I could't figure out who the wack job was until the episode was over and I realized it was me". Originally Posted by Kalador
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2017-10-05, 06:00 PM #3017Elemental Lord
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Except that's simpler said than done. Originally Posted by stevan021
How would mental health services even recognize this person had a problem? Enforce everyone to get mental health checkups? Then how would you be so sure this one in particular would go on to be a mass shooter to actually do something about it? Like you said, he's just an average mentally disturbed guy.
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2017-10-05, 06:08 PM #3018The Undying
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Originally Posted by Very Tired
I'm kind of hoping that when the coroner cuts open the shooter's head they find a big old cancer tumor pressing up against the lizard part of his brain.
Guy in the room below said he was partying with family and friends and the shooter complained to management twice about the loud music. It was country music.
Then the shooter opens fire on the 20K people in the country music festival across the street..
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2017-10-05, 07:08 PM #3019Pandaren Monk
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I mean 64 isn't that old for being fit. hell my father is 71, has low testosterone because of cancer treatments, and can still go out and hand split firewood for 8hrs. it's anecdotal sure, but it doesn't surprise me that a 64 yr old man was capable of this. Originally Posted by Stonecloak
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2017-10-05, 07:34 PM #3020The Insane
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Someone check the thermostat in hell, the NRA came out asking the Federal Government to look into if bump stock or similar gun mods are or should be illegal.
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