Now that "LFR Needer For Hire" is identified as WoW gold maker, what next?

[Abandon]

i never said "used" but rather "are using" so i dont know what youre talking about. also every new raid will have LFR so yea..

Guess you will have to consider the fact that the LFR wasn't specifically designed for you and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be removed, then.

[Howard Moon]

This is such bull crap I had to comment. Theres nothing wrong with selling tank instant queues and nothing wrong BUYING tank instant queues.

Same goes for LFR "needers for hire" Its a way to get progression without having to worry about competition from outsiders. If people are willing to pay for these services, and people are willing to render these services, why is there a problem?

Please do explain???

I agree, there is nothing wrong with selling or buying "needers". Did I say there was? I said it was clever use of badly designed mechanics (i.e. the LFR loot system). Please do explain why my comment was "bull crap"?

Erm, so you think that Blizzard will do something about this, then? Because you know they killed tank queue selling months ago,
right?

Right, I actually forgot that they fixed that, my bad.

In any case, I am pretty sure I saw a blue post somewhere which stated that they would further improve the LFR loot system, but probably not until MoP. So yeah, eventually they will probably remove the need for "hired needers", excuse the redundancy ^^.

[Cairhiin]

The WoW community is in a really sad state, doesn't even surprise me after what happened to my friend and I in a LFD ZA run either. Actually it's probably not WoW community, it's the general state of the internet which somehow turns people into enormous douchebags.

[Gilian]

It affects the gameplay of others so yes it should be looked at negatively. It causes grief and if Blizzard is smart they will do something about this whole loot disaster in LFR because people will quit over it.
If everyone would get a part of the gold and agrees with it then it would be fine but they aren't.

[Deleted]

Make all gear In LFR unique (barring 1h swords)
make all gear In LFR bound to certain classes (they did this one)
Make all gear In LFR bound to certain roles (SP cant roll on healer dagger or trinks if que'd as dps)
Make all gear IN LFR unable to be traded
Vendoring any item acquired from LFR gives 10 silver Tier pieces in LFR give no gold and can only be destroyed

I dont see them making these changes but they should

You forgot about the 1h axes.
They still need to remove the Hunter part on a ring with expertise.

[Deleted]

This is a nice money maker, Myself and my friends often go LFR to do Rank runs to kill time and need what we can then if somone from our server wants to buy it, $$

Everyone is a winner!

[Deleted]

This is a nice money maker, Myself and my friends often go LFR to do Rank runs to kill time and need what we can then if somone from our server wants to buy it, $$

Everyone is a winner!

Everyone? Nice try but no.

Picture yourself playing on an alt mage, you go do LFR with your mage and end up in a run with 2 dk's, 3 druids, 2 mages and 2 rogues.
The shoulders for those classes drops, they all need on it while only you and one of those druids actually need them. The other guys needed on them to sell it to the guy on their server that needs them or just because they can need on it. (more people that don't know the difference between need & greed)
You've got 10% chance of getting any tier tokens that run compared to a 50% chance if people were being fair.

How does that make everyone a winner, please tell me...

[Deleted]

Imo, it's not unfair to anyone. It's just clever usage of a broken tool that can cause things like that by default, just like someone else said.

Is it any more fair when guildies join together and need for each other? Or when someone needs for offspec?

The second you join the lfr, you know you're rolling against everyone sharing your token. Doesn't matter if they want to equip it, sell it, vendor or w/e.

As for the morals, as long as there are people willing to pay for it and people willing to do it, saying it's wrong is a moot point.

[Deleted]

Imo, it's not unfair to anyone. It's just clever usage of a broken tool

and this the mentality that makes a community go downhill.

You try to justify being a ninja by calling the tool broken...which it is, thanks to people like you. If everyone used need & greed according to their need & greed everything would be fine.

Current loot "priority" :
1) people that need the item for the spec they're currently in
1) people that need the item for their other spec
1) people that are in the run with guildies that need the item
1) people that know someone on their realm & in the group (obviously) that needs the item and are going to sell it to them
1) people that press the need button just because they can
2) everyone else

Put everyone on 1) because that's how it is right now sadly

Fair loot priority :
1) people that need the item for the spec they're currently in
2) people that need the item for their other spec
3) everyone else

How to make this work is a different matter though...it would require a lot of checks on what the person is using, if they have better items in their bags/bank and what spec they're in. If all those checks fail on a person that pressed need they'll roll 0.

One very easy change that would be a step in the right direction is to remove the ability to trade or vendor lfr loot.

[Deleted]

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Community started going downhill when they implemented the lfr, putting 25 random people from different servers together, hoping they will play by the rules. When there are no consequences whatsoever, nothing's keeping them from doing what they want since they'll never see the 24 other people again.

As for me being a "ninja", what exactly gives you the right to decide what is ninjaing? Maybe I want to join with guildies and help them out getting set bonuses to boost or progression. (In fact I think blizzard said they are ok with that, don't have a source, maybe someone else does). Maybe I play a pure dps class, and I want to have a 2nd gear set with different reforges so I can swap around specs depending on fight. That's not really an off-spec is it? Why should I have lower prio then?

These are only some examples of why your own little prio list can't work. What about trinkets? If I'm a healer with 2 high iLvL trinkets I can't roll on any others? Really? Hell, now that we have the DW weapons, there are players switching weapons as well depending on fight. What about polearms, do hunters and ferals get the same prio?

I hope you get my point now, which wasn't "take what you can and fuck everyone else". It was that in a tool like lfr, you can't really demand a "fair" loot system because A)there is a shitload of technical issues some of which I mentioned and B)"fair" isn't really objective in this case

[thunderdragon2]

This is behavior which is reprehensible, sure, but there's nothing Blizzard can do about it short of making LFR gear untradeable, which opens up a whole new can of worms.

That said, OP, you aren't going to get a blue post here. These aren't the official forums, and they aren't moderated by Blizzard staff.

less say this sanerio happens

ultraxion dros 3 shammy chests im resto/ele i need on all 3 in hopes of winning 1

i win all 3 1 tokens is wasted as ive no plans to go enhance

thats the prob there

[Hurpdurp]

Meh gold makers will make gold, those with gold will find ways to burn it to get what they want.

Its not even limited to needers... If I run it Tues, whats to stop me from wsping someone that looking to buy tokens in trade, and telling them I will fill a spot and wont even be able to roll against them on Wed/Thurs/Fri/ect... Win/win, I fill a spot on their token that cant roll, and I make gold in the process.

Same principle. Ive already been asked to do this by friends/guildies. Until the tool is "fixed", do not expect to win anything "fairly" in LFR.

It still really boils down to RNG overall, but if someone is buying a token its one of 2 things...

They are in greens, have gold to spare, and could care less about hampering the raid or screwing you

or...

They are searching for their 2/4pt and are sick of loosing the roll time and time again.

More than likely everyone in LFR is in one of these catagories as far as tokens go. How bad do you want it I guess...

---------- Post added 2012-01-05 at 05:40 PM ----------

less say this sanerio happens

ultraxion dros 3 shammy chests im resto/ele i need on all 3 in hopes of winning 1

i win all 3 1 tokens is wasted as ive no plans to go enhance

thats the prob there

Whats the problem... you won all 3. Its up to you to pass them out to the next highest rollers, keep them for all 3 specs (in case you get that enh urge at some point, or offer to sell/trade them.

Now winning all 3 poses its on issue in that I do not think the "glitch" reported at the start of LFR has ever been addressed. There was an issue in which if you rolled say 198 on your 1st roll, that would be carried over to your other rolls giving you all 3 unless someone managed a 199-200 on their roll. I still see this happening on every toon I do LFR on (7 85s atm) in that someone always wins multiple of the tokens. Hence why I am skeptical the issue was ever fixed/addressed to begin with.

---------- Post added 2012-01-05 at 05:44 PM ----------

Everyone? Nice try but no.

Picture yourself playing on an alt mage, you go do LFR with your mage and end up in a run with 2 dk's, 3 druids, 2 mages and 2 rogues.
The shoulders for those classes drops, they all need on it while only you and one of those druids actually need them. The other guys needed on them to sell it to the guy on their server that needs them or just because they can need on it. (more people that don't know the difference between need & greed)
You've got 10% chance of getting any tier tokens that run compared to a 50% chance if people were being fair.

How does that make everyone a winner, please tell me...

You expect people to utilize a tool correctly when there are zero consequences for abusing it...

How does that make any sense in this game, please tell me.

No consequences... none what so ever... /ignore playersname-server only holds up to 50 people. What are the odds out of the entire East Coast that I would even group with one of these people again this tier???

IMO the only way to remotely hot fix this would be to make items non tradeable. Sure people will still be there to grief and roll need, but I think it would clean things up a hair. Then again if an item drops that i already have, and I have died on trash due to how horrid most people in LFR are... I might just need to help cover repair costs...

[MoanaLisa]

or.............. way easier fix:

remove LFR.
and use that time the developers are using into LFR and the new difficulties and whatnot into actual new content

They could do that. Raiding could go back to being an activity that only 10%-20% of the players do. I'm sure you personally would be much happier.

Until the day that you wake up and realize that because raiding has once again become a niche activity, the new content being created mysteriously has little to do with raids and raiding. Oops.

With friends like you, raiding doesn't really need any enemies.

[thunderdragon2]

---------- Post added 2012-01-05 at 05:40 PM ----------

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Whats the problem... you won all 3. Its up to you to pass them out to the next highest rollers, keep them for all 3 specs (in case you get that enh urge at some point, or offer to sell/trade them.

Now winning all 3 poses its on issue in that I do not think the "glitch" reported at the start of LFR has ever been addressed. There was an issue in which if you rolled say 198 on your 1st roll, that would be carried over to your other rolls giving you all 3 unless someone managed a 199-200 on their roll. I still see this happening on every toon I do LFR on (7 85s atm) in that someone always wins multiple of the tokens. Hence why I am skeptical the issue was ever fixed/addressed to begin with.[COLOR="red"]

i cant if they are made untradable like the guy i quoted was talking about

[Deleted]

Community started going downhill when they implemented the lfr, putting 25 random people from different servers together, hoping they will play by the rules. When there are no consequences whatsoever, nothing's keeping them from doing what they want since they'll never see the 24 other people again.

As for me being a "ninja", what exactly gives you the right to decide what is ninjaing? Maybe I want to join with guildies and help them out getting set bonuses to boost or progression. (In fact I think blizzard said they are ok with that, don't have a source, maybe someone else does). Maybe I play a pure dps class, and I want to have a 2nd gear set with different reforges so I can swap around specs depending on fight. That's not really an off-spec is it? Why should I have lower prio then?

These are only some examples of why your own little prio list can't work. What about trinkets? If I'm a healer with 2 high iLvL trinkets I can't roll on any others? Really? Hell, now that we have the DW weapons, there are players switching weapons as well depending on fight. What about polearms, do hunters and ferals get the same prio?

I hope you get my point now, which wasn't "take what you can and fuck everyone else". It was that in a tool like lfr, you can't really demand a "fair" loot system because A)there is a shitload of technical issues some of which I mentioned and B)"fair" isn't really objective in this case

I agree that for trinkets my system doesn't work at all but your other examples make me wonder if you realise this is an mmo with other people playing too.
"Why should I have lower prio then?" Because there are people actually need them as an upgrade for their main spec, that is why your roll is a lower priority. "2nd gear set" = second priority, not first.

@ Hurpdurp :
One day long ago I expected but when I realized how selfish people can be it's just a thought, not an expectation.


Also, another thought popped in my head :
Devs are working on a way to fix the loot system / lfr rolling so congrats to everyone clicking need when they're not supposed to, you're making devs work on something they shouldn't be working on.
And don't think about about telling them to remove LFR completely, there was a need for it, it would've been fine if selfish pricks didn't ruin it for everyone.

[Kreeshak]

Everyone? Nice try but no.

Picture yourself playing on an alt mage, you go do LFR with your mage and end up in a run with 2 dk's, 3 druids, 2 mages and 2 rogues.
The shoulders for those classes drops, they all need on it while only you and one of those druids actually need them. The other guys needed on them to sell it to the guy on their server that needs them or just because they can need on it. (more people that don't know the difference between need & greed)
You've got 10% chance of getting any tier tokens that run compared to a 50% chance if people were being fair.

How does that make everyone a winner, please tell me...

I strongly disagree.

who is worth more a piece of loot?

1) someone's main who badly needs a 4 set for raiding but is extremely unlucky? or someones fifth alt?
2) someone who is actively contributing to the raid topping the meters or someone who dies in 10 seconds into the fight
3) someone who comes prepared with proper spec enchants gems foods flasks or someone who is on green items?
4) someone who cares about that particular loot hes been unlucky with, that is willing to pay strangers a hefty amount he made hard working on his own time or someone who doesn't have gold for enchants?

In my eyes. Both the buyer and the sellers are happy. Thats likely 90% of the concerned population. If someones alt doesn't like it, he could also give it a shot.

[Galashin]

Ridiculously simple solution: LFR gear may not be traded.

The introduction of the trading mechanic was to account for players accidentally or unintentionally rolling need on gear. That's handled in LFR (reasonably enough, anyway) by the role bonus system. Accordingly, the trading isn't necessary, but is causing a host of other problems. So take it out.

[RyanEX]

I strongly disagree.

who is worth more a piece of loot?

1) someone's main who badly needs a 4 set for raiding but is extremely unlucky? or someones fifth alt?
2) someone who is actively contributing to the raid topping the meters or someone who dies in 10 seconds into the fight
3) someone who comes prepared with proper spec enchants gems foods flasks or someone who is on green items?
4) someone who cares about that particular loot hes been unlucky with, that is willing to pay strangers a hefty amount he made hard working on his own time or someone who doesn't have gold for enchants?

In my eyes. Both the buyer and the sellers are happy. Thats likely 90% of the concerned population. If someones alt doesn't like it, he could also give it a shot.

In a word...Bullshit.

Dicks like you can use every form of persuasion to convince yourselves your in the right, bit at the end of the day you're just bottom feeding douchebags.

All your reasons still take away from said main that uses and needs the item all so that you can sell it to someone else, main or otherwise (please don't try and delude us into believing that you actually care about whether it's a main or an alt).

Disagree without going on a rant and insulting people. -Myrrar

[Shruikah]

This is a great idea, I'm going to buy a team of 10 druids to need for me next week. I still got 4set t12...

[Orangetai420]

In a word...Bullshit.

Dicks like you can use every form of persuasion to convince yourselves your in the right, bit at the end of the day you're just bottom feeding douchebags.

All your reasons still take away from said main that uses and needs the item all so that you can sell it to someone else, main or otherwise (please don't try and delude us into believing that you actually care about whether it's a main or an alt).

You do realize that if the Needer for Hire wasn't there, another person that needs the gear would take his place right?

Giving geared people a reason to queue up does a few positive things that you are over looking:
1) Shorter queue times (everyone likes this)
2) Higher margin for error - high dps, hps, good tanking
3) experience

In my eyes, there's nothing wrong with this. I would rather have a geared player win the gear I'm rolling on and sell it to a friend than have a 9k dps scrub win it.

Also, who are you to say his time isn't equally as valuable as yours? They deserve a shot at loot for their time, just like everyone else. What the player intends to do with the loot is none of your concern and if 2 players benefit from a drop rather than just 1, it's a good thing.