Delaying Raiding in MoP

[Deleted]

Well it seem i need to illuminate this Statement a bit.
Thats what common sense would make you think, and what is known on a broad basis. Nevertheless it couldnt be more wrong.
As a software developer i can tell you that making things work rudimentary costs you just about 15% of the workload while finetuning costs you about 80%.
I am no game developer tho, and percentages will differ a bit for sure, but still the finetuning is the WAY bigger part of the development process and takes up WAY more time than just creating the logic first hand.

Of course I know this, but considering most of the people who are working with MoP have been there for 2-7 years making this stuff, I wouldnt say it takes long time in sense of "ok its fine lets ship it".
Of curse, it takes time to finetune but it certainly might not delay focus on raiding - at least I hope it doesnt. They are not going, and dont have to, finetune it to max before shipping. Hotfixes are there for reason (even tho not best way to do it but its nothing new)

[phenom568]

Hardmodes won't be released till the 2nd week anyways, unless you're stars and do a full guild transfer to do hardmodes first week of content. No one needs a month to gear up for normal modes, they're made to be cleared in blue gear from heroics.

I say keep it the way it is.

Heroics should be open the same week normals open. While a month would be on the long end it gives you time to level alts/professions and gear up. Some people will blow through leveling in a 24 hour nonstop period. Then be doing heroics that same day. Before the LFD system you needed some good RNG to be geared up for raids in a week (only 7 chances to get the item you needed, Ive had to wait as many as 30 times for an item)...though to be fair most were attuned for less than heroic dungeon gear and probably still are. So you wait for a month give everyone time to gear up and explore new content then add in more new content just when the previous content is getting old. Then open both normal and HM and make sure they are attuned at a minimum of heroic blues no excuse not to have them by that point.

I would totally support this idea. If this hasn't been posted on the official forums then it should.

---------- Post added 2012-06-22 at 04:43 PM ----------

Why can't you be your own person and raid when you are ready instead of feeling like you have to cave into peer pressure? I never understood this mentality in wow but then again I never understood most of the childish nonsense that takes place. I remember raid back in wrath and having a guildmate complain about how he felt that certain classes that "won" the meters should be nerfed and all I remember thinking at the time was we just cleared naxx for the first time but recount is all that matters apparently. I'm thinking of coming back in mists and I'm ore than sure that my guild would love for me to raid again(probably won''t happen) but I am looking forward to logging in and doing whatever i feel like without feeling like I will be pressured to raid nonstop instead of enjoying everything wow has to offer.

because you need 9-24 other people to raid with and either your there or not. No serious guild is going to hold off raiding for you to smell the roses. The problem for blizz is they drop a shit ton of content but most people, including me, race past 60% of it to get to the final 10%. So they spend all this time on content and it gets completely ignored for the carrot on the stick.

[Deleted]

Heroics should be open the same week normals open. While a month would be on the long end it gives you time to level alts/professions and gear up. Some people will blow through leveling in a 24 hour nonstop period. Then be doing heroics that same day. Before the LFD system you needed some good RNG to be geared up for raids in a week (only 7 chances to get the item you needed, Ive had to wait as many as 30 times for an item)...though to be fair most were attuned for less than heroic dungeon gear and probably still are. So you wait for a month give everyone time to gear up and explore new content then add in more new content just when the previous content is getting old. Then open both normal and HM and make sure they are attuned at a minimum of heroic blues no excuse not to have them by that point.

I would totally support this idea. If this hasn't been posted on the official forums then it should.

---------- Post added 2012-06-22 at 04:43 PM ----------



because you need 9-24 other people to raid with and either your there or not. No serious guild is going to hold off raiding for you to smell the roses. The problem for blizz is they drop a shit ton of content but most people, including me, race past 60% of it to get to the final 10%. So they spend all this time on content and it gets completely ignored for the carrot on the stick.

Agree. If you want to enjoy the whole levelling and lore experience, join a casual/social guild and have fun. If you wish to raid before everything is nerfed by 30% and try to get a decent rank on your realm, you level as a maniac and so does everyone else in your guild. Since the longer it takes the raiders to get ready, the more behind the guild will get.

We've already made this clear to our raiders, that people need to level up within a few days. We want to raid the very first week and if someone isn't ready, it's just too bad for them. Our roster is big enough to find a replacement, even if that replacement should be a social member.

[Phrase]

I am totally in favor of this, it's a great idea. It takes the pressure off racing to level up on the first night and actually allows people to appreciate the non-raid content before jumping into raids.

This, so this. I'm having the exact same thoughts.

[Szemere]

This, so this. I'm having the exact same thoughts.

"and doesn't allow people to appreciate the raid content before jumping into other stuff"

Why would you want to let Blizzard dictate what you do first?

---------- Post added 2012-06-23 at 11:53 PM ----------

Heroics should be open the same week normals open. While a month would be on the long end it gives you time to level alts/professions and gear up. Some people will blow through leveling in a 24 hour nonstop period. Then be doing heroics that same day. Before the LFD system you needed some good RNG to be geared up for raids in a week (only 7 chances to get the item you needed, Ive had to wait as many as 30 times for an item)...though to be fair most were attuned for less than heroic dungeon gear and probably still are. So you wait for a month give everyone time to gear up and explore new content then add in more new content just when the previous content is getting old. Then open both normal and HM and make sure they are attuned at a minimum of heroic blues no excuse not to have them by that point.

I would totally support this idea. If this hasn't been posted on the official forums then it should.

---------- Post added 2012-06-22 at 04:43 PM ----------



because you need 9-24 other people to raid with and either your there or not. No serious guild is going to hold off raiding for you to smell the roses. The problem for blizz is they drop a shit ton of content but most people, including me, race past 60% of it to get to the final 10%. So they spend all this time on content and it gets completely ignored for the carrot on the stick.

If you don't like raiding so fast, why are you even in a guild that forces you to do it? Seriously, play like you damn well like it, not how someone else tells you to...

[Isotope]

There are quite a few good points and some points that are just QQ posts.

Lets just use this model for the raiding:

Week 1: Release of MoP
Week 4: Release of Raids
Week 5: Release of Heroic Raids


So who does that model help? Well it helps the top end world first guilds. You may ask why would that help them. Why do you think it takes them much longer to clear content when the xpac comes out vs the later "harder" content? Because of gear, when they rush through stuff to get the world firsts they aren't the best geared going into heroics. So having a delay like this gives them time to level alts and that first week end up with 4 raids. So content will be pushed even faster.

Now as for the Normal guilds. It doesn't help or hurt them at all. Your average guild will probably take 2-3 weeks before their first raid. Some might raid the first week while others will be ready to raid the next week.

So ask yourself who would this really help? Not everyone here has the skill and dedication to be number 1 or even compete for number 1 or 1000 for that matter. So would holding them back hurt you when chances are you're not even going to be raiding anyways.

[Tarx]

2weeks delay for lvling all my alts and choose which will be my main for raid roster.

[cherb]

If you want to wait a month then why not just play casually and wait a month. No one forces anyone to do anything and having raids on release doesn't mean you have to grind them out asap to enjoy the expansion. Nothing wrong with the way it is.

[noralya]

Weird, at first I was outraged by the very idea but he's made some pretty excellently valid points.

2 weeks might be nice.