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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    So? We have a mixed economy.

    If you have thought up a new type of economic system we could implement, I would love to hear about it.
    We are not mixed enough. Not with income inequality levels being the worst in that past 100 years, and being the only developed country left to not offer universal healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook12 View Post
    http://themysteriousworld.com/10-hap...-in-the-world/
    Practically all are socialistic countries or hybrids. Suck it capitalism!
    All of them are gravitating towards extreme right though because socialists have created a lot of financial problems.

    Socialism is partially good, but at a certain point they hand out so much and the next generations have to pay taxes to fill that hole.

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    You didn't have one before? :O
    We do, but the software was developed in the 1990'ies, and it's full of bugs. We're rewriting it and making it substantially better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishayu View Post
    Great, non-empirical measurements, averages, averages on those averages, and then a comparison between different cultures to the extent that they might not even agree what happiness means or when you should be satisfied.

    Just the usual junk social science, then.
    I'm curious how you're supposed to measure global happiness empirically.. As far as social science goes, this is fairly good. It's just asking people how they feel about a bunch of stuff and relaying that information, there's no claims of causation or wild jumps to conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    So you're saying European countries are the best.

    Just wait until you get more diversity. Take a look at Brazil.
    European countries have the highest diversity percentages in the world. I don't think we can get any higher on those ranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    All of them are gravitating towards extreme right though because socialists have created a lot of financial problems.

    Socialism is partially good, but at a certain point they hand out so much and the next generations have to pay taxes to fill that hole.
    Far right in Denmark? Ayyy lmao. Our most right wing party is called "Liberal Alliance" and every single party in the parliament wants to keep the welfare system.

    There also aren't any skinheads, in case you might be wondering.

    People often refer to Dansk Folkeparti (Danish People's Party) as a far right party. It's a socialist party which is also nationalist, which is why most people place it on the far right, because for some reason people have chosen to accept that socialism is on the left, unless said party also likes its own country, in which case it's suddenly far right and all the socialist attributes are instantly forgotten for some reason. I call the DPP centrist - and that's by a Danish scale, which is overall very far to the left. Bernie Sanders would probably on the right of Danish politics lol.

    Fortunately, our constitution, which our politicians cannot change, keeps the country free and capitalist when push comes to shove despite the overwhelming amount of socialist politicians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishayu View Post
    That's a pretty dumb conclusion given that literally ALL of the countries on the list are capitalist. Sure, they have elements of socialism, but only to the extent that people get an equal start in life and aren't left to die if they get ill. However, in Denmark an engineer will earn 3x as much as a social worker. Sounds like good old fashioned capitalism to me.

    These countries do have one thing in common, however: There are MANY parties in their parliaments. They all have pretty good voting system, and they are all governed by the rule of law.
    I don't completely disagree with capitalism. It has some very good points that incentivizes hard work and allows people to pursue their dreams, but too much capitalism leads to a divided population due to high income inequality and inhuman treatment of employees in the name of profit. America needs more socialistic values at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revi View Post
    I'm curious how you're supposed to measure global happiness empirically.. As far as social science goes, this is fairly good. It's just asking people how they feel about a bunch of stuff and relaying that information, there's no claims of causation or wild jumps to conclusions.
    Frankly? I don't think you can, and I'm OK with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorianrage View Post
    Honestly thought N korea would be number 1 here.
    Number 1 from the bottom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    All of them are gravitating towards extreme right though because socialists have created a lot of financial problems.

    Socialism is partially good, but at a certain point they hand out so much and the next generations have to pay taxes to fill that hole.
    I can see that socialism may create financial problems, but capitalism creates social problems because all it cares about is profit.

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    Far right in Denmark? Ayyy lmao. Our most right wing party is called "Liberal Alliance" and every single party in the parliament wants to keep the welfare system.

    There also aren't any skinheads, in case you might be wondering.

    People often refer to Dansk Folkeparti (Danish People's Party) as a far right party. It's a socialist party which is also nationalist, which is why most people place it on the far right, because for some reason people have chosen to accept that socialism is on the left, unless said party also likes its own country, in which case it's suddenly far right and all the socialist attributes are instantly forgotten for some reason. I call the DPP centrist - and that's by a Danish scale, which is overall very far to the left. Bernie Sanders would probably on the right of Danish politics lol.

    Fortunately, our constitution, which our politicians cannot change, keeps the country free and capitalist when push comes to shove despite the overwhelming amount of socialist politicians.
    Perhaps not Denmark, but a majority of all countries, ie the founders of Socialism, are completely going far right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    European countries have the highest diversity percentages in the world. I don't think we can get any higher on those ranks.
    Europe is homogeneous compared to places like Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook12 View Post
    I can see that socialism may create financial problems, but capitalism creates social problems because all it cares about is profit.
    Not necessarily. Capitalism works fine, if your government cares enough to protect it's citizens. In case of the American government, they never cared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    Europe is homogeneous compared to places like Brazil.
    Guess you haven't visited, the netherlands, luxembourg, france, germany, belgium. All these countries are far more diverse than Brazil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook12 View Post
    I don't completely disagree with capitalism. It has some very good points that incentivizes hard work and allows people to pursue their dreams, but too much capitalism leads to a divided population due to high income inequality and inhuman treatment of employees in the name of profit. America needs more socialistic values at the moment.
    I don't really think you're right about that. Capitalism only breaks down when the value of employees is low. Otherwise it's quite nice.

    When you go and work for a company you make a voluntary agreement. Yes, you're forced to make some agreement or other with somebody, but if there are 8 shops and you're a capable salesman, capitalism encourages and functions on the assumption that you'll talk to all 8 and join whoever treats you best and gives you most money.

    When the supply of labour far outstrips the demand for it, capitalism runs into problems. There is a wide variety of reasons why this can happen, but if you keep the number of hours worked down at a reasonable level and restrict migration, those problems are pretty easily avoided.

    Denmark does this. In Denmark, it's very unusual to work more than 40 hours a week, and we are also practically infamous for not letting in migrants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Perhaps not Denmark, but a majority of all countries, ie the founders of Socialism, are completely going far right.
    Then they are screwing up. Shifting from one extreme to another is not the answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Perhaps not Denmark, but a majority of all countries, ie the founders of Socialism, are completely going far right.
    That would be none of the countries on that list, then. ;P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Guess you haven't visited, the netherlands, luxembourg, france, germany, belgium. All these countries are far more diverse than Brazil.
    I take it you are talking about national diversity. Yes there are a bunch of small nations in Europe, which means national diversity is extremely high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dakushisai View Post
    Not necessarily. Capitalism works fine, if your government cares enough to protect it's citizens. In case of the American government, they never cared.

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    Guess you haven't visited, the netherlands, luxembourg, france, germany, belgium. All these countries are far more diverse than Brazil.
    The American government use to care a lot. Now corporate money has infiltrated its way into the white house and corporations do not care about the welfare of the people compared to profit motives.

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    Posted before the flood of immigrants. Lets see how this is in a few years time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Why do European countries score so highly on a European site?

    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#
    http://worldhappiness.report/wp-cont...HR15_Sep15.pdf

    They use Gallup polls for the 2.2 figure (Gallup is American), the results seem similar to OECD.
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