Patch 4.1 PTR Notes - March 9 Update

-res thing: nice. hopefully it wont cancel res if the person releases.

-dungeon finder thing: interesting. wonder what they are doing to balance for caster / melee thing.. for example resto shamans and hunters wont be in the same group?

-Bat form thing: hope they add the missing animations too.

-hunter pets things: WIN! and the new glyph is SO FRIGGIN GOIN ON MY HUNTER. ;D

Mage thing: this should fix the combustion clipping, shouldn't it?

Aww they removed the pet happiness thing. It was kind of useless sure, but I liked the idea of being able to feel that your pet wasn't just some game mechanic following you around but your loyal companion. But at least you still get to feed pets and the glyph replacement is pretty cool

Originally Posted by Gnomity

It was/is needed. Arcane is WAY behind other dps specs right now and given that it has no place/use in any real/organized PVP (sure maybe random BG's you can crush people with AB spam, try doing that in arenas or rated bg's and see how long it takes you to get spell locked/counterspelled and then immediately roflstomped).

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The blizzard buff is a buff to arcane mages. I'm fairly certain Blizzard (the company not the spell) has given up trying to make frost viable in PVE and PVP. As much as I loved playing frost in PVE I actually understand and agree with their choice; it's simply impossible for them to balance for PVE and PVP at the same time across 3 specs per class, so the solution is to just say "this is your PVP spec, you can at least choose between these two PVE specs"

I agree, I think Blizzard has given up on Frost and Subtle as pve specs. They are both just so strong in PvP that it is really hard to buff them anywhere without absolutely gutting them in pvp first. The two specs that are still lagging in Pve are surprsing, arcane and BM. They seem to be fixing arcane now, but still nothign for BM. Frost DKs were also on the low side, but they are getting the blood rune change, which I honestly think will make them the most OP spec next tier, we will see.

The whole armor type deal sounds like longer queue times to me.

OMG, I was just saying yesterday they need a glyph that does the OPPOSITE of this, a glyph that makes hunter pets smaller.

Floreil

bout time those ice/arcane got some love for aoe. now just boomy and we should see pretty even aoe from most classes.

General

* A dead player can now be resurrected by targeting them using the Party or Raid Frame even if they have released. No more hunting for corpses.


And how hard was that change to make? -.- Been annoying me since vanilla.

Originally Posted by Warriorguy

Awesome more Arms buffs. Totally didn't see that coming...stop trying to make Arms viable for PvE keep it for PvP we were doing fine with that route stick with it. All this mingling and trying to bring Arms up to par with Fury is quite annoying.

Hey buddy, speak for yourself. I hate Fury spec and I'd like to be able to do my raiding without being bottlenecked into a spec I hate.

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Originally Posted by Azrile

I agree, I think Blizzard has given up on Frost and Subtle as pve specs. They are both just so strong in PvP that it is really hard to buff them anywhere without absolutely gutting them in pvp first. The two specs that are still lagging in Pve are surprsing, arcane and BM. They seem to be fixing arcane now, but still nothign for BM. Frost DKs were also on the low side, but they are getting the blood rune change, which I honestly think will make them the most OP spec next tier, we will see.

The problem with those specs is that they rely mechanics that would be considered game breakers in PvE like shatter combos and restealthing to make the most of their talents. That is why those specs are strong in PvP and you can't really bridge the gap by upping damage as it would make those 2 specs (even more so) overpowered in PvP. Personally I'm happy provided they always keep at least 2 specs viable for both PvE and PvP in each class.

Now since pure dmg dealers can't queue as anything other then dmg lets see this:
3 plate - none of them are pure dmg dealer
2 mail - 1 pure dmg dealer
2 leather - 1 pure dmg dealer
3 cloth - 2 pure dmg dealers
Now, playing a lock or mage is going to be like a hour queue if you are to bother with LFG.

Bigger pets are worthless, but still amusing. Its no less worthless IMO than penguin or monkey polymorph. How many ppl are gonna tame bats and use that glyph just to mess with ppl.

It sure does.

Originally Posted by crazysmacker

with the DF trying to sort out dps based on armor types i forsee a longer wait in the DF for dps, probably not by a lot.

We really don´t know to what extent they will make people wait. I highly doubt they will allow it to drastically increase queue times since they obviously are aware that most times there is 30 minutes or more. My guess is they will only look at the next 6 dpsers in queue and match them based on gear as best they can. In other words if number 1 and 3 are both plate wearers, they may bump number 3 back to number 4 (ie, with the next group).

Looks like they are trying to normalize damage. Loving the "no more corpse hunting" change post-release, but being a vanilla player, I probably won't release early either way.

Dungeon Finder

* The Dungeon Finder now attempts to avoid putting damage-dealing classes with the same armor type in a group.



Yeeee ! queues even longer !

Random dungeons never had two of the same class before anyway, so this change is just a slight extension to ensure enh shaman and hunters, the cloth dps, etc., also get seperated. Will it matter? Not really. Will you notice the longer queue, if any? Probably not. Will you be happy when you don't have to roll against that other clothie? Definitely.

Originally Posted by Reyzzz

Mage is not top dps class, only when there are lots of targets.

Certainly not the worst dps in PvE or PvP.

Btw, where is your spell steal nerf?

Originally Posted by Sny

Nice that Holy Fire can proc Evangelism. Various other changes were made for HF with Glyph of Divine Accuracy as well as Atonement, but I'm wondering why they haven't done the obvious and let HF proc Chakra, even Mind Spike was added, just doesn't make sense to me.

Why you need HF to proc Chakra badly anyways?

Based on the 4set piece, DISC is getting the shaft in this patch. Holy Priests will have a constant 540 spirit buff whereas Disc does not? That is a clear imbalance. I wonder how they propose to fix that.

Originally Posted by good diu bro

Why you need HF to proc Chakra badly anyways?

Not so much for healing as when you're questing or doing other solo stuff. I know I've been leveling my priest since 80 as discipline, so being able to get a stack of Evangelism besides spamming Smite would be neat.

Originally Posted by Licarius

like it was needed??? i don't play a mage but have a few good arcane mages i raid with.... there burst is going to be huge!!!

or am i reading this all wrong?

The burst is large, yes, but when we aren't bursting, our damage was considerably lower. These buffs will help us maintain damage output in between burst cycles.

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Originally Posted by Lemons

Woot @ 7 second flag caps! This means it will again be possible to cc > flag cap. As a rogue this makes me happy.

Also where is the datamined stealth change? Did it not go through or did blizz simply forget to include it in the official notes?

They probably realized that a stealthed rogue moving faster than an unstealthed rogue would simply be ridiculous.

What a surprise, GC = Mage. Mages buffed. The question begs to be asked. WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO MAGES NEED BUFFING. Roll on the warrior nerfs :S LOL.