Firelands Raid Changes Incoming

This is so stupid. At least leave the heroic modes as they are. It's going to be really boring farming 7/7 heroic now until 4.3.

Originally Posted by massakure

Blizz to you, sorry if im sounding rude, BUT STOP NERFING THE RAIDS! Do it if only like 90% of the population as completed it. But now when you nerf H rag people are going to feel like they acually ocmpleted it which is a little bull.

Talking to Blizz huh? You know what the odds of getting a blue answer is on MMO-Champ?

Originally Posted by dbgokux4

Oh I see. So you're saying if you were still on 4.2 Raids when the new ones came out, and you could start a normal new raid, you wouldn't? Doubtful. Your perspective is skewed, try a different approach.

My perspective is not skewed; it's simply coming from a different angle when compared to you. The new stuff won't be out for months yet - it's not even on the PTRs for testing and you should know that a big patch testing will take at least a month or two. So now we have nerfed content for the next couple of months when there's still plenty of opportunity for my guild, and others in similar positions, to experience the game at it's most difficult (and subsequently, engaging). The normal raids were there to ensure as many people as possible could enjoy the content; fair enough. The heroic stuff was there for people to really work for it and for those that adore a challenge.

Originally Posted by KaPe

So just how many Heroic kills were they expecting after 2 months? There's almost 2000 guilds that are 6/7. They just nerfed Ragnaros. I'd say that quite a lot after such a short amount of time. If the problem is with normal, nerf that.
I mean, seriously, some post around here make it sound like Firelands were out for as long as ICC and thus nerfing them without any sign of 4.3 is fully justified.

For normal modes they have about half as many guilds clearing Firelands, just like tier 11 when it was current. So this nerf is understandable.

Originally Posted by Zergal

Normal Nerfs :

- ''big bad elitist'' : cool they are nerfing normals, will make alt runs easier and more people will see the content everybody should be happy no?

You actually believe that don't you?

Hah, that is gold. Heroic 5 mans killed this games subscription base thanks to hardcore raiders whining that the 5 mans, which they dont do more than the first week, were too easy.

man...people acting like downing a super hard boss justifies their self worth. chill the eff out.

Originally Posted by d3sign8t3dDruNk

Scrubs don't need to see the content. You wonder why people quit Blizz? This is why. Stop nerfing shit into the ground so terrible players can kill shit. Firelands isn't hard if your not a moron. Casuals who complain about the content being hard, need to just go in a corner and die. GTFO out of our game. You belong playing mario kart!

IDD really IDD

Originally Posted by massakure

Blizz to you, sorry if im sounding rude, BUT STOP NERFING THE RAIDS! Do it if only like 90% of the population as completed it.

What's the point in making the raids accessible if most people have already, uh, accessed it?

As for me, personally not caring because I am leveling an alt yet again.

Originally Posted by d3sign8t3dDruNk

Scrubs don't need to see the content. You wonder why people quit Blizz? This is why. Stop nerfing shit into the ground so terrible players can kill shit. Firelands isn't hard if your not a moron. Casuals who complain about the content being hard, need to just go in a corner and die. GTFO out of our game. You belong playing mario kart!

Wow...you're not 100% there in that tiny head of yours are you?

People are not leaving because of the nerfs. Is that a PART of the problem? Sure, is that ALL of the problem? No. And when the hell did the game BELONG to people with elitist dbaggish mindsets like yours?

Want to know what other reasons cause people to leave? Idiots like you.

I read this as small nerfs weekly in order to at the time of patch 4.3 have a summation of all of the nerfs equal *approximately* the nerf that we had ALL AT ONCE for tier 11 content. That said, I'm not hardcore but I do enjoy heroic progression, but I didn't start firelands until 2 weeks ago, so my group just killed normal ragnaros this week. I don't think heroics should get nerfed at all.

Originally Posted by ChuckWood

You actually believe that don't you?

Hah, that is gold. Heroic 5 mans killed this games subscription base thanks to hardcore raiders whining that the 5 mans, which they dont do more than the first week, were too easy.

You actually believe that "heroix tew hardz" is responsible for the loss of subs? You do. I can tell.

Originally Posted by Bombkirby

Its painfully obvious that many people haven't even come close to finishing the heroic modes. Why else would they touch heroic modes? Probably way less people than last tier reached the final boss. Obviously this is a much needed crutch for the players.

No idea why its taken people months to simply beat Heroic Mode. If you were going to beat it you would have done it by now anyways.

Why do you feel you have to complete all fights, the only real difference visually and major mechanic wise you get in heroic is an extra phase on the raggy fight, other than that it's the same as normal bar a few mechanics, so your not getting to see much more content, and by nerfing the challenging content that aims for the elitist players so all can get to experience that as well as normal you belittle the game for them hence giving them less content.

Having all content designed / nerfed / made available to ALL players will kill the game as you have to make it for the lowest common denominator, which leaves no challenge nor sense of accomplishment for the majority of the player-base, if you feel there isn't enough content aimed at you then complain to Blizzard and have push them to add more content, not nerf other players content hence making less overall content.

Originally Posted by Trollfaced

Yay! Love how all the "elite ppl" whine about it though.

This
/10 character

I don't get it. Does anyone feel an actual sense of achievement defeating nerfed content? You KNOW that it's nerfed, you KNOW that there was a harder version before. You know that you'll never get the same recognition as the players who defeated the content pre-nerf. I have some Heroic Firelands progression, albeit not a lot - maybe now we might actually get to Heroic Ragnaros; and who knows maybe even defeat him. And I'm not happy about it, because the challenge is gone, the prestige is gone. The sense of achievement has been taken away. Now I'll never know how far we could've progressed using current tier gear and difficulty. Sure, I might get a fancy title. But it's going to feel worthless.

Nerf normal mode content when the new tier is out. Heavily nerfing it mid-tier is ... I don't even ... I'm very disappointed.

Originally Posted by Barinthos

Wow...you're not 100% there in that tiny head of yours are you?

People are not leaving because of the nerfs. Is that a PART of the problem? Sure, is that ALL of the problem? No. And when the hell did the game BELONG to people with elitist dbaggish mindsets like yours?

Want to know what other reasons cause people to leave? Idiots like you.

@Barinthos, This game belonged to skilled and good players before the likes of you and your "give me pro lootz without doing shit" band wagon jumped on, keep teir gear in raids....all of it, stop the hand out of 3 bits from running shitty hc's and tbh, blizz made money with out you casual QQ'ing fags so tbh stfu and go play something else.

Well, at least I'll have been 6/7 25H before the nerfs

Originally Posted by ChuckWood

You actually believe that don't you?

Hah, that is gold. Heroic 5 mans killed this games subscription base thanks to hardcore raiders whining that the 5 mans, which they dont do more than the first week, were too easy.

Really not sure whats your point, please quote a post of anyone caring about normal mode nerfs in this thread.

All I can say to this:/facepalm

Originally Posted by Barinthos

Wow...you're not 100% there in that tiny head of yours are you?

People are not leaving because of the nerfs. Is that a PART of the problem? Sure, is that ALL of the problem? No. And when the hell did the game BELONG to people with elitist dbaggish mindsets like yours?

Want to know what other reasons cause people to leave? Idiots like you.

There are just as many d-bag whiners out there. And it doesn't BELONG to them either.

really fun getting to rag within 1 1/2 hours just to wipe your ass off there. Really, really lame to nerf heroic modes in the running tier to idiot level. good job, thought heroic modes were for those who want a challenge and normals are to see the damn content. guess I was wrong and this is the first time I'm actually thinking about cancelling my sub. They recently seem to do everything to make this game suck ass.