World of Warcraft Bot Ban Wave, Users of iMorph & ConsolePort Also Affected

Originally Posted by Azerate

Input maggin, cloud gaming...just don't do shady shit, play like a normal person.

Is it really necessary for you to speak vulgarly when you don't know your subject?

There are thousands of players who use cloud computers like ShadowTech, even for WoW.
These are absolutly normal people, playing normally, they just use a thinclient that connects to a virtual machine.
And you need virtual input map to transcribe what you do (keyboard/mouse) on your thinclient to your virtual machine. Sometimes you even need to do it though a USB to IP application (It's the case for Android thinclients).

Originally Posted by FelPlague

1. sound alert yes, but not a visual alert
2. not all of them do, especially since in vanilla you can only track 1 thing at a time, also this helps you find exactly where it is far easier, is it in a cave, is it on the surface, is it on the cliff side or the valley?
3. not in Rated PVP
4. addons do not alter the ease to see... seriously?

1. Nameplates? And a Rogue is going to be easily spotted when he unstealths next to you whether you're using a mod to make him bright green or not

2. Fair

3. In Rated pvp you only have a few people in the instance anyway.

4. No but they give sounds and timing

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Originally Posted by Couchpotato2013

COPIUM its okay that I do this because I deserve to get back at blizzard COPIUM I can’t be wrong in my visual echo chamber

Enjoy your ban if you used it.

I didn't, I don't play Retail anymore because Blizzard's class balance is trash.

But I shouldn't be banned for installing mods like this one that makes character customisation better

Originally Posted by Utrrabbit

Actually it changed your characters hitbox on your end, whih would allow you to either hit enemies from farther away than would show for others.. Which is agaist the tos. You can not adjust your model in anyway.

It is purely giving you an advantage you should not have.

Except it doesn't change your hitbox at all, all it does it change the look of the model, if you are a gnome and change your model into rag you still have a gnome hitbox.

Anyone here saying that tMorph changes your characters hitbox is lying.

Originally Posted by Utrrabbit

The issue id when you do it on your end it actually changes your toons hitbox. Making it smaller or larger depending on the model. This had serioud problems because not only does it give you a serious advantage in pvp but on pve since they only see the original model and calculate everything using the the originam hitbox.

You say that I don't know what I'm talking about, and then spew this? My guy, check yourself before you wreck yourself.

If it were affecting server-side perceptions of the character model, then Blizz would've been way harsher in the past, and people wouldn't be debating on whether or not it should be a bannable offense to use such a program. If it affected the game in an adverse way, you'd see a whole lot more grief over it.

Originally Posted by TRCKSTVR

Is it really necessary for you to speak vulgarly when you don't know your subject?

There are thousands of players who use cloud computers like ShadowTech, even for WoW.
These are absolutly normal people, playing normally, they just use a thinclient that connects to a virtual machine.
And you need virtual input map to transcribe what you do (keyboard/mouse) on your thinclient to your virtual machine. Sometimes you even need to do it though a USB to IP application (It's the case for Android thinclients).

Again, just don't do shady shit.

I don't know about thousands of players who use cloud computers. Cloud gaming is still barely in use and the failure of Stadia shows that it's not a mainstream way people want to experience their games. Maybe there is a small group of people using weird tools to circumvent regular gaming requirements, and sure some of them might have legitimate reasons to do that, but I disagree on-line games should cater to those people above their regular rules. Cloud gaming is useful for people without hardware, but it's also a tool that allows easy account sharing and potential sub-cost sharing between multiple people.

It was known for years that you are basically not allowed to stream wow in any way, and there were big debates about that a while back as well. If people ignored that it's their fault only.

Agree people using shit should get banned, but how the fuck did they give 180days for someone using imorph and then people who legit get caught buying/selling gold got 1 week ban at the end of bfa ban wave came?

Originally Posted by starstationprofm

And why's that? It's client side, it provides no benefit beyond visuals for me. That's completely stupid.

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How so in 10char

You can increase the size of the flag model to always know exactly where EFCs are for starters.

Originally Posted by Piplupzero

You can increase the size of the flag model to always know exactly where EFCs are for starters.

But the EFC is shown on the map

Originally Posted by Telanu

While it is an unfortunate situation I do think it is the right thing to do to be strict with these things. Even though you were experiencing issues with the product it was not okay to use a 3rd party executable. Consider these two outcomes alone if Blizzard were to just allow those clients:

1) Someone has similar issues like you experienced and uses a third party client that seems legit. Blizzard accepts it since it helps the customer. After a month it turns out that the client had a keylogger included besides the fix and lots of important information is stolen from the you. Now by doing nothing Blizzard is in trouble even though they did nothing wrong. And yes, I'm sure people would blame them in this case.

2) One of the third party clients gets really popular due to some semi-significant improvement to the official one, like increased FPS or something. Again, Blizzard accepts this since the community seems to profit from it and does not implement measures to prevent it from working. Half a year later the client is used by a majority of the players. Then, some competitor plans to release a Diablo clone and strikes a deal with the third party client developer. The dev is corrupt enough to accept it and implements a hidden algorithm to effectively DDOS the D3 servers. Undoubtedly they would have immense issues dealing with the outcome due to the nature of these attacks including hefty financial losses and damaged reputation. Not to mention the players leaving for the competitors' product.

Those are just two simple scenarios that come to mind. The possibilities are endless. It's much safer and easier for everyone to just have a strict policy for those cases. It needs to be enforced of course or else no one would respect it.

So all in all, unfortunate outcome for you, but IMO still the right thing to do from Blizzard's point of view.

Bro, it just changed one freaking number after they were told tons of times but they didnt care for a long time. They have warden to monitor that shit, its not like they run Avast free and it just pops DANGER, HACK!.

Come on. They just didnt give a fuck and laziest method is always the way.

Can only speak for myself, but I’ve been using jmorph since forever and I didn’t get banned.
It’s the only thing I use tho, so no bots or any form of hack. Never.

Also: lmao, the people that think they know what one can do with jmorph are hilarious.

Originally Posted by Azerate

Again, just don't do shady shit.

I don't know about thousands of players who use cloud computers. Cloud gaming is still barely in use and the failure of Stadia shows that it's not a mainstream way people want to experience their games. Maybe there is a small group of people using weird tools to circumvent regular gaming requirements, and sure some of them might have legitimate reasons to do that, but I disagree on-line games should cater to those people above their regular rules. Cloud gaming is useful for people without hardware, but it's also a tool that allows easy account sharing and potential sub-cost sharing between multiple people.

It was known for years that you are basically not allowed to stream wow in any way, and there were big debates about that a while back as well. If people ignored that it's their fault only.

Playing on a Cloud computer isn't doing shady shit, as same as having a car and a licence doesn't don't make you a murderer who crushes everyone in roads.
You just can't suspend someone just because they're playing remotely and therefore potentially shared their account or whatever. You can't suspend someone who hasn't done anything.
And for information, cloud computers are not against ToS.However, doing shit using any third party software is prohibited. But cloud computers aren't software that is attached to the game, it doesnt inject anything, it does absolutely nothing for you. This is the same problem as ConsolePort.