[Movie] Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi

[Leih]

Let me break it down for you, Einsten: They already filmed her death scene, complete with her being dead. It's everything AFTER SHE OPENED HER FUCKING EYES AND DID THE STUPID CRINGY SHIT that needed to be removed, followed by the whole two or three plot-significant actions she performed after being what needed reshooting with different characters and, not surprisingly, different actors. She was not needed. At all. For any. fucking. thing. And no, it wouldn't require a complete reshoot of the entire movie. She was only in a couple of scenes after that, and ALL of her actions could EASILY have been handled by another character. She wasn't even remotely important to anything in the movie even before she died.

Jesus fucking Christ, how do you people even put your clothes on in the morning?

Although the space superman scene was a bit over the top, I personally think it would have been very disrespectful and a great injustice to Carrie Fisher if they'd been like "Oh, shit. Carrie died? Now we have a plot hole. Fuck it lets edit her out of all of her scenes in the rest of the movie and pretend they never happened."

This film was going to be the last ever performance from Carrie Fisher. I'm glad they left her in the movie and we got to see Leia's brief reunion with Luke and some of her other nice scenes which all would have been cut if they'd let her die in the opening 30 mins like that.

[Super Kami Dende]

Literally everyone I know that has said they enjoyed it, finished by saying "and I'm not even really a Star Wars Fan"

The movie was at MOST extremely Mediocre.

I don't get people being Mad about "SJW' stuff or people saying it's only "Anti-sjw/Alt-Rights" that hate it. The movie had hardly any of the over the top Social Justice shit a lot of new Movies have and the Casino planet was really the only weird political thing.

The movie was horrible completely on it's own merit. Terrible plothole inconsistencies, badly written characters, complete misunderstanding or deliberate changes to the series.

There were a few cool scenes, But if someone told you to eat a bowl of shit because you might hit a few pieces of Candy, i'd say fuck off as well.

[ThePsyentist]

Wow, for me, the movie was quite bad.

The only redeeming part is Kylo Ren, he's just amazing! Everything else is meh.

And wtf happened with Snoke? Dayum ... and although I'm not a Jedi fan, this was not Luke. I don't know what character he was supposed to be, but that is not Luke Skywalker.

This is pretty much the way I felt too. On Luke, I can abide some flaws. But it almost felt like they disregarded his development from the original trilogy. *shrugs*

[Macaquerie]

Literally everyone I know that has said they enjoyed it, finished by saying "and I'm not even really a Star Wars Fan"

That was kind of the whole point of the movie, and the sequel trilogy overall. The new movies aren't meant for the diehard fans who have been following Star Wars for 40 years and see themselves as a club you have to earn your way into, they're meant to introduce a new generation of fans to Star Wars and to pull in more of the, shall we say, peripheral demographics that the original trilogy ignored. And yeah, they are hardly masterfully crafted works of art, but then again neither were the originals.

[Cosmic Janitor]

That was kind of the whole point of the movie, and the sequel trilogy overall. The new movies aren't meant for the diehard fans who have been following Star Wars for 40 years and see themselves as a club you have to earn your way into, they're meant to introduce a new generation of fans to Star Wars and to pull in more of the, shall we say, peripheral demographics that the original trilogy ignored. And yeah, they are hardly masterfully crafted works of art, but then again neither were the originals.

See, I think you are right about the fact that these are for a different audience, but the thing is, I'm not even a die hard star wars fan, neither of the games, nor comics, books and even my movie experience is mostly 1 time viewing each with maybe a second time after a couple of years on free TV. The thing is, if you have any recollection of the previous films and even base analytical skills you will notice that something is off here.. and people handing out perfect scores for poor execution just grinds my gears. These are really for people who have no clue about star wars at all, want to buy "cheap" disney toys and can ignore crass shifts in the direction of the writing, in what is supposed to be a connected trilogy. So essentially kids age 6-10.

[tyrlaan]

Found both of these write-ups to be interesting reads:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/22/...nson-jj-abrams

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/12/...sh-controversy

Reading them made me reflect on the movie and end up thinking more highly of it.

[Macaquerie]

See, I think you are right about the fact that these are for a different audience, but the thing is, I'm not even a die hard star wars fan, neither of the games, nor comics, books and even my movie experience is mostly 1 time viewing each with maybe a second time after a couple of years on free TV. The thing is, if you have any recollection of the previous films and even base analytical skills you will notice that something is off here.. and people handing out perfect scores for poor execution just grinds my gears. These are really for people who have no clue about star wars at all, want to buy "cheap" disney toys and can ignore crass shifts in the direction of the writing, in what is supposed to be a connected trilogy. So essentially kids age 6-10.

What's wrong with that though? You are deluding yourself if you think that the original film was meant to be anything more than a kid-friendly popcorn flick, marketed and merchandised to hell and back. If you watch old cast interviews, the one thing they always bring up is the novelty of seeing their faces on all manner of junk from Pez dispensers to shampoo bottles, when just a year before they had just been unknown actors trying to find work.

There were lots of sci-fi movies in the 70s and 80s, and Star Wars was far from the best one. The reason we remember it so fondly is because of the ruthless marketing campaign that basically imprinted the brand in our minds forever. With most movies, regardless of how much we may have enjoyed it we forget about it shortly afterwards and never think about it again. With Star Wars, this is impossible, so that even our interest fades, the ubiquity of the franchise means that it stays with us and we ultimately end up going back to it over and over again.

[Super Kami Dende]

That was kind of the whole point of the movie, and the sequel trilogy overall. The new movies aren't meant for the diehard fans who have been following Star Wars for 40 years and see themselves as a club you have to earn your way into, they're meant to introduce a new generation of fans to Star Wars and to pull in more of the, shall we say, peripheral demographics that the original trilogy ignored. And yeah, they are hardly masterfully crafted works of art, but then again neither were the originals.

The point is, it was still fucking horrible. Star Wars is one of the few franchises in the World that doesn't require stooping down to retardation to try and pull in more fans.

They didn't have to before why start now.

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What's wrong with that though? You are deluding yourself if you think that the original film was meant to be anything more than a kid-friendly popcorn flick, marketed and merchandised to hell and back. If you watch old cast interviews, the one thing they always bring up is the novelty of seeing their faces on all manner of junk from Pez dispensers to shampoo bottles, when just a year before they had just been unknown actors trying to find work..

Lol fuck off. Star Wars has always been more aimed at Teenagers/Early adults rather than Kids. They are "Kid-Friendly" but they aren't Kids movies. I mean even the show they had on TV Channels took quite a few dark steps out of the "kid friendly" label. Not just through brutality but they make a lot of points about politics and such that Kids under 13 wouldn't even understand 99 times out of 100

[Macaquerie]

Lol fuck off. Star Wars has always been more aimed at Teenagers/Early adults rather than Kids. They are "Kid-Friendly" but they aren't Kids movies. I mean even the show they had on TV Channels took quite a few dark steps out of the "kid friendly" label. Not just through brutality but they make a lot of points about politics and such that Kids under 13 wouldn't even understand 99 times out of 100

You'd be hard pressed to find any kids show these days that doesn't have violence or brutality, because that's the kind of stuff that kids like to watch. By the time you hit your teens, stuff like Star Wars is too nerdy and cornball to be "cool" anymore, and while this doesn't mean that you will automatically lose interest, I haven't heard of too many people who have discovered Star Wars as a teenager.

[Super Kami Dende]

You'd be hard pressed to find any kids show these days that doesn't have violence or brutality, because that's the kind of stuff that kids like to watch. By the time you hit your teens, stuff like Star Wars is too nerdy and cornball to be "cool" anymore, and while this doesn't mean that you will automatically lose interest, I haven't heard of too many people who have discovered Star Wars as a teenager.

Wat. Nearly everyone I know became hardcore Fans of Star Wars when they were teenagers. There were like 2-3 of us that watched them pre-teenage years, mostly because most Parents wouldn't let their young kids watch The Original Trilogy until they were old.

[Jotaux]

I don't get people being Mad about "SJW' stuff or people saying it's only "Anti-sjw/Alt-Rights" that hate it. The movie had hardly any of the over the top Social Justice shit a lot of new Movies have and the Casino planet was really the only weird political thing.

I don't even know why alt right people would hate the movie. Literally any non white character in the movie is involved with the useless B plot that went no where and could have easily been cut out of the movie with no repercussion to the plot. Either the non-white/female characters were dumb or incompetent except for Rey(can't be incompetent as a mary sue). Then of course the fate of the galaxy is decided by the three white characters, either Kylo Ren and Rey or Kylo Ren and Luke in the two climaxes. Like this movie should be an alt right wet dream.

Theres a reason the movie is doing horrendous with black audiences.

[Deleted]

Lol fuck off. Star Wars has always been more aimed at Teenagers/Early adults rather than Kids. They are "Kid-Friendly" but they aren't Kids movies. I mean even the show they had on TV Channels took quite a few dark steps out of the "kid friendly" label. Not just through brutality but they make a lot of points about politics and such that Kids under 13 wouldn't even understand 99 times out of 100

I don't know why this is even a debate, Star Wars was always for kids and Lucas was always blunt about it.

[Doctor Funkenstein]

Although the space superman scene was a bit over the top, I personally think it would have been very disrespectful and a great injustice to Carrie Fisher if they'd been like "Oh, shit. Carrie died? Now we have a plot hole. Fuck it lets edit her out of all of her scenes in the rest of the movie and pretend they never happened."

Yes, because she wasn't in the movie at all prior to her death scene. Nope, not one fucking bit. And her flying through space was the BEST PART OF THE MOVIE, HOLY SHIT, FOR REALZ Y'ALL! Because just STOPPING prior to that scene would, somehow, have been an insulting catastrophe. Even though people like you can't explain why other than flailing your arms about and vomiting up "why not just cut everything, HURR HURR HURR HURRRRR! I win argumant now rite?!?!?!"

[Kathandira]

I was under the impression that they were in hiding due to Order 66. It was hide, or die. Luke hiding was more about him making a mistake and running to hide in shame.

[tyrlaan]

The point is, it was still fucking horrible. Star Wars is one of the few franchises in the World that doesn't require stooping down to retardation to try and pull in more fans.

They didn't have to before why start now.

They didn't before? Did you skip watching Episodes 1, 2, and 3? Did you miss all of the following - aliens had human stereotype accents, baby anakin flew a ship better than most pilots, fart jokes, jar jar fucking binks (who does not deserve capital letters), whiny anakin, anakin and padme rolling in the fields?

I'm had pressed to see The Last Jedi as anything close to "retardation" when we have an entire trilogy chock full of lame shortcuts that appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Yes, because she wasn't in the movie at all prior to her death scene. Nope, not one fucking bit. And her flying through space was the BEST PART OF THE MOVIE, HOLY SHIT, FOR REALZ Y'ALL! Because just STOPPING prior to that scene would, somehow, have been an insulting catastrophe. Even though people like you can't explain why other than flailing your arms about and vomiting up "why not just cut everything, HURR HURR HURR HURRRRR! I win argumant now rite?!?!?!"

Try to get a grip on yourself and let the capslock key get some well-needed rest toughguy.

[Fayolynn]

I was under the impression that they were in hiding due to Order 66. It was hide, or die. Luke hiding was more about him making a mistake and running to hide in shame.

Shhh people don't understand nuance. To them hiding because it's prudent while still having hope is the same as hiding because you are ashamed of failing.

[Wilian]

I don't know why this is even a debate, Star Wars was always for kids and Lucas was always blunt about it.

Using blatant push for toys in third installment, the aftermath of blatant push for toys and then the man's own words he appears to be changing by the moment is kind of intellectually dishonest.

I refer to my signature on just how reliable his claims are.

[PACOX]

I was under the impression that they were in hiding due to Order 66. It was hide, or die. Luke hiding was more about him making a mistake and running to hide in shame.

Did you miss TFA? Snoke and Kylo hunted Luke with the same tenacity as Sidious and Vader hunting Jedis. If hiding because of being hunted was valid for Obi and Yoda then it was valid for Luke. Was Luke supposed to face down the entire First Order by himself.

[Kathandira]

Did you miss TFA? Snoke and Kylo hunted Luke with the same tenacity as Sidious and Vader hunting Jedis. If hiding because of being hunted was valid for Obi and Yoda then it was valid for Luke. Was Luke supposed to face down the entire First Order by himself.

I was under the impression that he went into hiding because of his failure with Kylo.

[Elim Garak]

I was under the impression that he went into hiding because of his failure with Kylo.

He says in the movie that he came there to die, not into hiding.