Started to feel like a lot of people are beginning to miss Garrosh. He never did anything half as bad as Sylvanas gets away with.
Started to feel like a lot of people are beginning to miss Garrosh. He never did anything half as bad as Sylvanas gets away with.
Me not that kind of Orc!
Eh, think you're getting ahead of yourself a bit. Everything she's done so far can be justified one way or the other. She's ruthless and pragmatic sure, but she never did something evil just for evil's sake as far as I remember. She just plays to win and doesn't care if it gets ugly, which is perfectly fine to like or dislike. Let's just wait and see a bit more of this whole arc before jumping to conclusions.
You mean you don't find the repetitive internal conflict within the Horde interesting? I mean sure the conflict is 100% forced and completely retarded. But....but....but....... INTERNAL CONFLICT! Frankly, you should be grateful you were given such an interesting (totally not rehashed) plotline. LMAO.
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"Father, is it over? I see only darkness before me."
What Blizzard needs to stop is not to put 'villains' in charge but to treat lore more seriously. In realistic setting only a villain can run a state. There can't be law and order without secret services cutting throats in dark alleys and faked suicides(as in performed by intelligence on dissidents).
They need to up their in game lore propaganda too and enter mundane grounded rhetorics. If they showed up little orc kid washed up in Barrens and present it as victim of Theramore(no matter the real reason for its death) then Garrosh popularity would rise.
Blizzard needs to start playing at least minimum of mind games with their playerbase. Rumors of Garrosh willing to use Sha? Counter strike conspiracies with forged ones to make the real one appear as nothing more than joke 'Garrosh wishes to confiscate oblong Tauren totems', 'Shadow Council transformed into Blood Elves, citizens of Silvermoon can't sleep safely' 'Sylvanas is poisoning the wells and turning grass frogs gray, soon they will go extinct!' 'Black Goat with seven eyes is after Demon Hunters blindfolds'.
Who do you see as becoming the new Warchief if she dies? I want to see another orc, but there's not a lot of cool notable orcs left. I would imagine if Thrall confronts Sylvannas and they fight, Thrall would die (because he's weaker now) alternate Grommash and Durotan would find out and show up to kill her (why not, we have mag'har) They respect Thrall. Grommash could lead the new Horde and be a solid leader who swears to uphold Thrall's values. They could also raise his kid to become a new notable orc.
Saurfang would be my next choice, then Rexxar or Drek'thar. If none of those then I suggest Gallywix.
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The horde's greatest strength is its weakness. It is, right there in its description, more of an "alliance of convenience" between races involved where they maintain more of their individual identity. As a consequence, they tend to fight more.
The alliance has had some, but when you look at the characters what motivation do they have TO in-fight with each other and vie for supremacy?
Though I'd say if they did want more of that, I'd say instigate it with Velen wanting to stay out of BFA's conflict for fear of his home becoming a target, and Tyrande wanting to go on the warpath and burn Orgrimmar to the ground, furious that a child (who has not earned her respect like Varian did) is demanding they focus their efforts on the Eastern Kingdoms.
Hate to break it to you all, but with the current lore revelations, Sylvanas is going to end up being the grand savior of Azeroth. Whether she currently knows so and is acting on that destiny or she doesn't yet know so, and it's going to drop like a bombshell that suddenly the Alliance needs her.
And I like being a villain. Good guy/honor obsessed guy is just so stupid and doesn't reflect reality at all!
give me a single interview or official blizzard post prior to 4.1 that Garrosh would end as MoP last tier boss and i'll add it to my signature beside blizz 'favoring horde' one
they didn't, the idea to turn a capital city to a raiding dungeon was not expected, i knew blizz is 'horde biased' but didn't know they 'love' horde so much that they want to make players fuck their warchief on weekly basis and defile their capital too
regarding topic (lol if i use the @ mark, there is a member called topic?) : I'm also fed and probably why i didn't pre-order BFA and may skip it, for me reason n1 to play was always lore, and this is NOT the horde we were presented in wc3 at all
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The beginning of wisdom is the statement 'I do not know.' The person who cannot make that statement is one who will never learn anything. And I have prided myself on my ability to learn
Thrall
http://youtu.be/x3ejO7Nssj8 7:20+ "Alliance remaining super power", clearly blizz favor horde too much, that they made alliance the super power
Exactly. Sylvanas killed her own subordinates for what she viewed as signs of defecting / treason. Garrosh was lashing out at every Horde race which he saw as inferior to his mighty orc race. In this regard, Sylvanas is a much better leader of the Horde. She did not have installed her elite troops in Orgrimmar to control the city in Legion, like Garrosh did with Kokron in Undercity, for example.
but again we horde players didn't sign to play evil faction, i would have played LORT or Starwars and played pure evil faction.
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Blizzard : we don't have more bad-guys, *in case of emergency breakglass* " make the warchife evil"
Garrosh simply asked them to do more, they chose not to. We see that as late as "Tides of War" Garrosh is concerned about winning over dissidents. As far as punishing arguably treasonous subordinates goes, let's not forget that Garrosh tolerated outright death threats from Vol'jin, Baine leveraging his loyalty and support to try and force policy change, numerous secret "anti-Warchief" meetings that went unpunished, etc.
But hey, don't let facts stop you! Garrosh was awful and Sylvanas is justified in everything she does, right?
The Kor'kron were placed in Undercity by Thrall. After Sylvanas temporarily lost the city (and a number of its abomination guards) to Varimathras' coup. As far as "controlling" things goes, there's a passage in "Before the Storm," where Sylvanas says outright that she wants to appoint a Troll leader she can control.She did not have installed her elite troops in Orgrimmar to control the city in Legion, like Garrosh did with Kokron in Undercity, for example.
Currently, Sylvanas is objectively worse than Garrosh was. If they turn around and redeem her at this point, it's going to be a cringefest for a number of reasons.
I don't mind playing bad guys. If they make sense. Problem is, they don't.
Garrosh could do a little mistake and the whole Horde is rebelling in a second. Sylvanas casually tells everyone it's time to kill Malfurion and all the druids are ok with it.
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Im more tierd of the "we have to unite and fight the common enemy, then after that we can fight against eachother again"