Wow youtubers fooling saps to ride off the hype and make a quick buck are nothing new. If and when it becomes profitable to hate on classic then they will.
Wow youtubers fooling saps to ride off the hype and make a quick buck are nothing new. If and when it becomes profitable to hate on classic then they will.
People seem to forget these guys are running a business - for profit....their profit.....The number of streamers / youtube 'personalities' who ride the hype train of a new upcoming game to gain financially, and then abandon it in favor of the next latest and greatest upcoming game is quite amazing really.
If they are branded as a general gaming channel, thats absolutely fine - But there is certainly some decent coin to be made by jumping on the bandwagon, and then when public opinion sways, jumping on the next wagon, even if its going the other way.
"classic will be garbage and is a waste of time"
hmmm, beta is out, ppl are loving it, streamers are making a lot of money off this.......
"i was wrong, classic is amazing, here is my twitch channel, pls sub"
hmmm, dieing off now, most ppl have given up before 60.......time to jump ship!
"i thought i wanted classic, but i was wrong, but i just got an invite to hello kitty island adventure 2, and its the next big thing! check out my twitch channel for gameplay!"
Either Venruki is a good actor or he people are wrong about he's doing it for the money.
Watching his stream it looks like he has a lot of fun.
For me, both versions still have their pros and cons, but Classic just wins.
Pros for current WoW:
- Classes have a bit more depth. I say a bit, 'cause most classes in Classic are gimped by the debuff limit in raids, and there are way more funny builds one can do which work in every other content than in BfA.
- Boss mechanics are way better and more interesting. But there is also a limitation here, 'cause broken down to what the player has todo, it's mostly the same. Just a varying combination and different tuning (with exceptions, of course).
- Storytelling is better. I honestly think the BfA story isn't that boring to begin with.
But that's it for me. I've been a big fan of M+ for a long time, but after one and a half expansions I'm already bored of it. The reason is: What you get there has basically zero value. If you don't have a group which can push really high keys for prestige, there is not much to it.
Pros for Classic:
- The world feels bigger and more immersive.
- Community building is required and more so, it's FUN.
- The grinding in Classic is worth it. What you aquired, is yours, and has a value 'cause good items are rare and not given for free to everyone who shoot 10 birds.
- Leveling feels rewarding. With the old talent trees and the spell ranks tought by trainers, without any scaling in effect, you actually feel getting stronger.
- Same for items. Getting +4int on an item is an actual increase in power. Getting +5 itemlevels on BfA is basically worth nothing, 'cause there is nothing that requires power, and on top of that, scaling eats a part of it.
- Dungeons are way more complex, making them way more interesting.
I've played longer than you (since Vanilla open beta) and I don't agree that it's got worse every year. Not a single thing about the game has got worse every year. Not one.
That's not to say there haven't been some downward trends, but they always have their ups and downs, their backs and forths. And mostly they're things most players don't care about, like roleplaying. WoW is a worse RPG, particularly stressing the RP, now, than it was in 2004, but it's certainly not clearly a worse MMO. There's back and forth, there's better and worse.
Once Classic is live, and has been for, say, six months, then I think people will be able to make much better judgments. There will be stuff that still seems good and maybe should come back. But there will be an awful lot of stuff that's painful and unfun, and that people can ignore when they're level 15 in a beta that's going to be wiped in a few weeks, but won't be able to ignore when they're 60 and playing for keeps.
I wanted to say I think you made a better and more honest summary of the good/bad points (for my money) of Retail and Classic than anyone else I've seen here.
But my feeling is that the community is going to be wrecked by modern technology, modern access to knowledge, and elitism, which is far worse and far more acceptable now, than it was in 2004-2006. It'll be fine in beta, because everyone is having a jolly time, no-one is max level, everyone will be wiped soon and so on. But once it goes live? Especially once a level 60 community emerges? I think it'll rapidly become an elitist shit-show where people use mods and out-of-game tools to build groups quickly and efficiently and exclude anyone who wants to play like it was Vanilla, rather than speed-running every dungeon with the correct group.
I mean, you can see this in games like GW2, which kept their level cap and so on. In GW2, when it started, people explored the massive and sometimes complex dungeons with their cool encounters and so on. It was awesome. Cut to three years later, and if you aren't the right spec, wearing the exact right gear, and don't know the dungeon and every speed-running trick backwards, people are going to be dicks to you. I am pretty sure the attitude will rapidly emerge in Classic. Not in the beta. Maybe not in first three or even six months, but soon thereafter.
I don't think most doubters of Classic's supposedly assured huge success (such as myself) thought there would be no interest in Classic or that barely anyone will play. We have mostly said there might be a big initial attendance for Classic, but 6 months+ later the hype will die down and people will have lost the nostalgia they felt before.
It's where my freinds are duh said that in the post, also I think people who get zealous about anything need at least some one to voice the opposite opinion or this would all become one huge circle jerk. Eevery zelot of anything needs some one to say "actualy mate, it's pritty shit"
Nothing new or novel to do in it.
I've done the quests. I've run the dungeons. I've ground the reps.
I did it once, and I see no reason to do it again. It will not furnish me with experiences I've never had. And why experience old things when I can experience new ones?
I like discovering things in games. There's nothing left to discover in vanilla WoW. Back in the day there was mystery; what's behind the Greymane wall? What's behind the gates of Uldum? Where does that locked up portal in Stormwind go? What's inside Karazhan?
We know the answers to all of those questions. Collecting bear asses to grind reps to get through dungeons I've already done, but having all of that take tens of hours more time, does not sound intriguing to me.
Last edited by Kaleredar; 2019-05-20 at 02:47 AM.
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Words to live by.
Many more to come.
Classic will be extremely successful. Not just short term.
For years.
Yeah, generally people like Venruki will give this a shot if it increases his subcount several thousand fold. There's some precedent here if you look at the Smash Bros. Melee streamers that pretended to like Smash Ultimate and streamed nothing else for about 4 months then just dropped off after they plateaued. Was great for their sub counts. Not saying this is 100% what Venruki is thinking internally, but there's motivation to grow their brand and stream by giving classic a shot. Asmongold's 100k viewership sent a strong signal. There will be a ton of streamers going hardcore with Classic for a few months, but we'll see if how long that lasts. Asmongold basically stopped streaming retail and has been biding his time until around the Classic beta.
tldr: Streamers are going to be biased more than the average player. Something to be aware of. Classic does look fun though ofc
Last edited by MrExcelion; 2019-05-20 at 03:07 AM.
Its gonna die out within six months...
The Man in Black: “They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.”
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