Mega-Thread: Trump Focused Discussion

[ati87]

Unless states are going into major lockdowns closing pretty much everything except the supermarket I'm going to go with "no, they are still not taking this seriously".

Oh just you wait.
Closing down everything is the only true effective measure there is that can combat this pandemic (to a point). Washing hands and wearing mask is important but only works if the numbers are so low that the chances of getting in contact with an effected person is minimum, which is why we in Europe actually are better off then our American friends.

[Adam Jensen]

Donald Trump just learned (for the second time) that Lincoln was a Republican and claims that he's one of the gifted few with this knowledge

[DocSavageFan]

"The President did not quell it, he escalated it. His heavy-handed tactics led to a serious injury and enflamed an already tense situation." - Ted Wheeler (Mayor of Portland)

Mayor of Portland blames Trump for defending the Federal Courthouse and escalating violence in Portland. The world has gone mad.

[Belize]

"The President did not quell it, he escalated it. His heavy-handed tactics led to a serious injury and enflamed an already tense situation." - Ted Wheeler (Mayor of Portland)

Mayor of Portland blames Trump for defending the Federal Courthouse and escalating violence in Portland. The world has gone mad.

No, 30-35% of America has gone mad, and the world watches in shock and horror at the complete lack of common sense and general self awareness the average Trump Support seems to be afflicted by.

The Portland Mayor is more than correct by pointing out that Donald Trump telling cops to rough up people and UsE FoRcE against people protesting POLICE BRUTALITY is escalating the situation.

[DocSavageFan]

No, 30-35% of America has gone mad, and the world watches in shock and horror at the complete lack of common sense and general self awareness the average Trump Support seems to be afflicted by.

The Portland Mayor is more than correct by pointing out that Donald Trump telling cops to rough up people and UsE FoRcE against people protesting POLICE BRUTALITY is escalating the situation.

Yeah...rather than confront the rioters, he should just let them burn it all down. Got it.

[Thekri]

Trump has such an utterly bizzare history. Today I learned a wierd bit of Trump's past I hadn't heard about before, the strange story of the Nabila. (Wiki link).

So, the story starts with Adnan Khashoggi, the uncle of the Khashoggi you just thought of. Adnan Khashoggi was a very interesting person, and was actually the person I was reading about when Donald Trump suddenly popped into the story. He was basically the Saudi Governments arms supplier, the guy that negotiated contracts with major western defense companies, and greased the wheels of Congress to allow the kingdom to import massive amounts of American weapons. Heavily involved in bribery, arms dealing, and all sorts of revolting shit. Anyway, this dude built a Yacht, because of course he did. This Yacht was one of the biggest in the world at the time, and was actually used by Sean Connery in Never Say Never Again as the supervillains yacht. Because Irony is apparently lost on real supervillains, Adnan apparently was fine with this.

So the Donald Trump buys the Yacht for 29 million, because why not. He does a complete refit, renames it Trump Princess, because he can't own anything he doesn't name after himself. 3 years later, he goes broke again, sells the ship for 20 million, and takes a complete loss on all the refit money and 9 million extra. Because you know, business genius here. He sells the ship to another Saudi, this one Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, whose other hobbies include building a Kilometer tall tower in the middle of nowhere, and feuding with MBS. The later hobby is rather dangerous, because it got him arresting in 2017, and apparently he is on some sort of house arrest now.

So to recap. Donald Trump is a very weird person, with really deep connections to Saudi elite, who is terrible at business and bought a literal bond villain yacht. Which he lost half the value of in 3 years. And he bought a boat from Khashogi's uncle, which is an interesting twist. I find it constantly amusing that so many Americans think this guy understands their life at all, his entire life is full of craziness like this.

[Kathandira]

Yeah...rather than confront the rioters, he should just let them burn it all down. Got it.

On one hand you have rioters. On the other, you have people sitting peacefully protesting. Both were targeted by police violence.

If the police only went after rioters, then i'd be with you, but they have targeted even the peaceful ones.

[Belize]

Yeah...rather than confront the rioters, he should just let them burn it all down. Got it.

Yeah, rather than have talks with protesters to address their grievances, we should just confront them. Using violence against those protesting the use of violence will surely help the situation.
We also don't have multiple examples of peaceful protests in the cities where the police stood down and actually engaged with the protesters. Nope.

God forbids there's other solutions other than bullying and beating people into submission.

[DocSavageFan]

On one hand you have rioters. On the other, you have people sitting peacefully protesting. Both were targeted by police violence.

If the police only went after rioters, then i'd be with you, but they have targeted even the peaceful ones.

If you were truly a "peaceful" protester, wouldn't you be far, far away from the violent ones?

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Yeah, rather than have talks with protesters to address their grievances, we should just confront them. Using violence against those protesting the use of violence will surely help the situation.
We also don't have multiple examples of peaceful protests in the cities where the police stood down and actually engaged with the protesters. Nope.

God forbids there's other solutions other than bullying and beating people into submission.

Perception check time. Who were the aggressors here? The police or the rioters?

[Belize]

If you were truly a "peaceful" protester, wouldn't you be far, far away from the violent ones?

They were.

Perception check time. Who were the aggressors here? The police or the rioters?

The police, considering they're the ones chocking citizens to death, tear-gassing peaceful demonstrators, and making journalists lose eyes.

Do you have any other easy questions that are answerable by just re-iterating facts?

[RadasNoir]

Mayor of Portland blames Trump for defending the Federal Courthouse and escalating violence in Portland. The world has gone mad.

Americans are dying en masse right now, partially as a result of the stubborn incompetence of your Dear Leader, but yeah, thank goodness he tried to defend that poor Federal Courthouse in Portland.

You ever stop for single moment, just a single second of self-reflection, and wonder if maybe it's not the world that has gone mad?

[DocSavageFan]

Americans are dying en masse right now, partially as a result of the stubborn incompetence of your Dear Leader, but yeah, thank goodness he tried to defend that poor Federal Courthouse in Portland.

You ever stop for single moment, just a single second of self-reflection, and wonder if maybe it's not the world that has gone mad?

Do you support all the recent violence? Is that the kind of person you are?

[cubby]

If Fox isn't pulling any of their idiotic punches with their headlines, then I don't see why CNN should.

Additionally, CNN's title of "America takes action in direct defiance of Trump" does feel a lot more solid than Fox's usual "random talking head opines on why Trump will destroy socialist Biden" headline.

Because CNN isn't the left side of Fox - so in CNN pushing such a stark headline, we're seeing a trend in how the msm is treating the Dear Leader. I just haven't seen such a strong headline from them, at least recently. For instance, instead of using "lying" they use "mistruths" or other such non-blatant words.

Don't get me wrong, I like the trend. Trump deserves what he's sown.

[Kathandira]

If you were truly a "peaceful" protester, wouldn't you be far, far away from the violent ones?

Hard to say. If a group is sitting and holding signs, and some douche decides to break a window on the building you are all sitting in front of, is it fair to shoot tear gas at the whole crowd?

[Belize]

You ever stop for single moment, just a single second of self-reflection, and wonder if maybe it's not the world that has gone mad?

We wouldn't be here if they did ._.

[Benggaul]

They were.

Not only that, but there are multiple documented instances of the peaceful protesters calling out the rioters (or, more likely, people pretending to riot to sabotage the protests) and PREVENTING them from damaging property and/or handing them over to the police. The thing you are responding to is happy to ignore things like that though since it doesn't fit its narrative.

[Belize]

Do you support all the recent violence? Is that the kind of person you are?

No, I don't support the police murdering citizens without cause, and violating people's 1st Amendment rights by brutalizing peaceful protests and cause permanent bodily injuries.

Do you?

[Dontrike]

"The President did not quell it, he escalated it. His heavy-handed tactics led to a serious injury and enflamed an already tense situation." - Ted Wheeler (Mayor of Portland)

Mayor of Portland blames Trump for defending the Federal Courthouse and escalating violence in Portland. The world has gone mad.

Trump has done exactly that or did you forget when he told his zealots to attack others and he would pay their legal fees? I mean really to even think Trump HASN'T done it is asinine at best.

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Yeah...rather than confront the rioters, he should just let them burn it all down. Got it.

Damn, you people are still on about the rioters. Why don't we talk about the MAGAbomber while we're at it or the dozens of other right wing terrorists. Oh wait, that doesn't fit your tired narrative.

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If you were truly a "peaceful" protester, wouldn't you be far, far away from the violent ones?

If you were a trained cop wouldn't you be able to tell which is which?

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Do you support all the recent violence? Is that the kind of person you are?

No one supports the riots, the only ones support police violence are crazies, and the only ones supporting Trump having protestors gassed are Trumpsters.

[Belize]

If you were a trained cop wouldn't you be able to tell which is which?

Implying cops get training in the U.S.

[unfilteredJW]

Implying cops get training in the U.S.

It's not like they are hairdressers and need more training.