True, true the poor innocent Sylvanas and the poor innocent Horde. You might have forgotten, but Sylvanas and no one else is responsible for the hatred of Genn towards her. But sure, let's just forget that she murdered his people with a plague against her Warchiefs orders and murdered his son. Something she has never had to answer for in any shape or form. Genn is truely a rotten individual for blaming her for that!
Considering Sylvanas did NOTHING against the Legion after the Broken Shore and instead went out on her own quest for immortality... how exactly did that prevent her from supporting her own faction? Was she busy sulking or too afraid she might die to prevent the annihilation of "her" people?
Yet this is what the Horde has done several times over and then they make sad faces, blame their respective Warchief and demand to be forgiven. After the crimes Sylvanas has commited in her undead existence, she does not get to play the victim card. "Oh dear me, I was just trying to steal the power of a Titan Watcher and this beast Genn Greymane attacked me!! Whatever have I done to him!?"
Right, so much for sensible conversation I guess. Not gonna bother with the rest then. If you honestly blame Genn for the genocide that happened at Teldrassil then you obviously crafted an elaborate headcanon and there is no way for facts to pierce that. Probably next you will tell us that the Draenei are responsible for their own genocide too.
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You find out about in Azshara where a ship of the Banshee sunk. Which is chronologically set before the attack on Stormheim. But you can bet that the Horde folks will now deny that.
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That's why she was jailed and not executed on the spot. You do that when you think someone might be a danger to your people, ya know?
That cute attack would work a lot better if the Devs had not immediatedly reacted to the complaints of the Sylvanas fanboys and put in the loyalist questline including a cinematic...
But no, that was not what I meant. I know they wouldn't change the main story, but the Horde actually coming out and saying they denounce Sylvanas would have been a great sign. Yet, the only thing we heard was why Sylvanas was justified in everything she did and that people wanted to marry their undead queen of darkness. In short a huge part of the Horde was completely fine being the bad guys again, they loved it.
1) Talanji wasn't killed, not even Zul was, despite him deserving it.
2) You might have missed this, but the modern Alliance has condemnd Daelins actions, his own daughter allowed him to be killed to safe your Horde.
3) You tried. Repeatedly. Forgot Brennadan already and the other attempts to plague bomb the island?
Talanji was the princess of the Zandalari. A people that have repeatedly attacked both factions. But sure let's just ask nicely if they tell us of their next evil plans, they will definately tell the truth! Are you actually kidding me?
Thanks for proving my point.
Logic and common sense. You bring the information to Greymane, who does not make any alusions that he had already attacked the Banshee or that he knows what she was up to, which he should if this was after Stormheim oh and he should probably have some problem with that arrow in his chest. But don't worry, I don't expect you to accept this.
I know accepting that would throw quite the wrench into this whole "Genn started the war" story the Horde has been using to defend Sylvanas.
Out of interest, what is your source for this NOT being the chronological order of events?
Horde being evil... no not really. I also don’t think the Alliance is good either. As with all things “one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.”
The panaren already knew that zul was acting on his on lore walker cho has a whole bit about them breaking off from the king they have no reason to hold a grudge against the empire as a whole and zul goes rouge again and acts against the king way before the zandalari join the horde so they have no reason to be against them joining after zul is dead.
Fine, that still does not prove that Talanji wasn't in cahoots with him though. If he was going rogue, why did she not adress this? Why was she fine traveling with him?
By the time Zul betrays the Zandalari again, they had already given shelter to the Banshee and the Horde, even if they did not join them yet. There needs to be no grudge against the empire if they purposefully ally with war criminals.
He went rogue then came back and said he was sorry and started playing the adviser rolls Talanji had nothing to address as Zandalar really didn’t care what he did on his vacation and had no responsibility towards it.
And ya they shelter the horde but I’m talking about the pandaren opinion not the alliance.
This entire thread is mostly just GRRR! HORDE BAD! and GRRR! ALIIANCE BAD TOO! and my side is betterer then your side.
After all that happened so far, what else could we think?
I could ask do people genuinely think that the Horde actions are justifiable? but I think that it is moving the goalpost so just ignore me (and the thread showed me that a lot of people try their best to justify genocide and WMD).
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Yeah, burning Teldrassil was justified.../s
Was there ever an equal response by the Alliance?
Warchief: we're gonna kill a lot of innocent people. Blood and thunder!
Orcs: YES! BATTLE! KILL!
Trolls: We don't be caring, mon.
Goblins: We will kill anyone for a price.
Forsaken: We will kill anyone.
Tauren: Moo.
Blood elves: Now, now, let's be reasonable.
Warchief: You said something?
Blood elves: Actually no. Please, do carry on.
Funny @ OP
So you want to be a bad ass genocider, burning almost the entire population of a faction capital to a crisp, cheering for it and then also want to be called the good guy afterwards...
It's almost like you want to have your cake and eat it, too
Teldrassil and Gilneas...seriously.
Had the Horde publicly burned Sylvanus' body to ashes...might have gone a little way to addressing the unequal response.
Does it count when Anduin stomps his allies' faces as he runs to eulogize the Butcher of Ashenvale?
Equal response, hah. Alliance slaps wrists, Horde kills everything with a bloodlust to make the Legion blush and they'd salt the earth afterwards if they knew about that.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
the fact that there's no proof of how it interacts with the faction mirrored quest given how both sides are taking the same info via the same object. And then the issue that zone canon order is still a vague mess with at least 4 variaionts on what might be a canon order. I.e. interview with arrow going through stormheim first.... proff quests leading you to some zones (not all go to azsuna first), old ilvl information on end of zone rewards or requirement for group vs no group to complete zone storyline.
So, common sense can logically point out multiple reasons why the chronological sequence doens't make sense. Also there still remains the fact that this isn't a quest that directs you into the area...
Another odd point is that if Azsuna is first, why are alliance already killing of forsaken sailors without reason when we're showing up in broken isles all doing thigns and this is something that is more evident before you stumble upon the wreck in the first place.