The Alliance gets the Horde's most popular race. The Horde should get the Alliance's most popular race in return. Alteraci Humans for the Horde!
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It actually isn't, Varian and Anduin didn't have any problem with the house of Nobles or political opposition from inside Stormwind aside from Onyxia, they never faced true tensions or divergences from the rest of the Alliance, the dwarven and gnomish politics are cruelly underdevellopped, same for the Draenei and the Night Elves never had any political tensions without the opposition to Malfurion and Tyrande turning outright crazy and evil as seen with Fanfral and Maiev.
Does the kind of statement dude made really make you think he's got a lot of grasp on material reality?
Just going back to your point, I don't think Alterac can reasonably considered part of the Alliance at this point. I'm sure there are citizen of Alterac with wants that could be interestingly developed. I also always felt a cool thing to explore in Night Elf society is that it really seems to have restratified with Druids as their new 'Highborne' and the office of High Priestess assuming an increasingly monarchic role; peeling that back and showing some resentment to it, while potentially remaining agnostic to it storywise (so she isn't instantly a villain) would be really cool.
And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, Turalyon was a massive missed opportunity for making the Alliance more interesting. The last huge figure from Lordaeron, the ultimate Paladin, discovers his homeland owned by the Undead and engaged in shady shit? Turalyon making a political play that would have lead to the Alliance attacking the Undercity without the Burning of Teldrassil as cause would have been a better story through and through. Gnomish politics too needs development, even if it's just spending the resources and having Gnomeregan actually rebuilt and playable. The Dwarves too need some love, though have at least the seeds of a far more interesting storyline than the Gnomes got.
One day I look forward to seeing full grown adults realize that their averse reactions to levity and positive/contemplative expressions of emotion are a cry for therapy.
What's to explain? For all the whining here about the Horde losing wars (because their endgame is exterminating everything not Horde), they constantly get away with massacres but the fans cry their eyes out if there's any retaliation.
The message since WC3 has been "The Alliance should not seek justice or fight back, or they're just as bad."
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
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Right, right. Whatever allows you to pretend there's no difference between the entirety of Silithus and a Horde camp in Silithus. Except by this logic Horde did nothing wrong in Ashenvale Then again I have no clue about your motives.
Aaand you're back to lying about the chronology. In the span of just one post. Simply sublime. Makes your reply to me all the more valid /s And as has been pointed out multiple times throughout the years already (only for you lot to merrily ignore it because convenience) the factions actively cooperated right after WoD, clearly ignoring the dreadful conflict in Ashran. Why didn't Ashran instigate anything? Because the High King of the Alliance dropped the issue. And there's nothing you can do about it.
I don't think there is anything else to explain. The chronology of the events are clear with Gallywix's forces attacking the Expedition first and I don't see why are you guys still debating this. In my opinion it's the fault of Blizzard themselves leaving deliberately grey areas in the lore so some pro-keyboard RP Warriors here can claim that 1 Alliance crime=10 Horde Crimes and a Genocide is justified. Garrosh did nothing wrong, Sylvannas did nothing wrong, we all know the drill by now. Why do the Horde even bother to stop the Legion or the Jailer if their leaders did nothing wrong by spearheading their campaign? It's part of the plan after all to get rid of that mean Alliance who burned up Taurajo,killed poor Armed Goblin Civilians and closed the Orcs in camps am I right?
Enable cross-faction so I can play it while still raiding with my friends.
The fact Anduin dropped the topic of Ashran does not make the “small war” there disappear. And i highly doubt that there was “only one casualty”.
If you brain somebody with a brick but they forgive you and drop the issue does not make it go away, it just means they were unnaturally forgiving (as Alliance always is).
Not to mention your rancid ass sarcasm being about as fresh and relevant as Joe Biden.
And if you genuinely think you are “clever” with it… wow, i mean, i have seen some overinflated egos and all but you just as high on your own farts as most of Blizz writing staff and its a very bad comparison.
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Unfortunately those kinds of individuals is the reason we got the Garrosh and Sylvannas did nothing wrong bandwagons which led to shitty expansions because Blizzard had to pamper their absurd needs. To make matters worse the story and the majority of the playerbase had to pay the price.
As you said - if they “did nothing wrong” and their actions were perfectly fine than it makes you wonder why the fuck they ended up as villains of the next expack, caused near-world-ending fuckup or aided villain of the next expack. Also why we had to suffer through 100 hours of “Look how nice Sylvanas is and how sweet she was” pep talk in order to forgive her and let her do Janitor work in the Maw if she “did nothing wrong”.
"You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light. When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved...our ancient enemy, the mantid. So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another. You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?"
I would also have added a race to strengthen the Alliance in Kalimdor, such as having the Arakkoas migrate to Stonetalon Mountains or Feralas and then restart their civilization here with a mix of their old lifestyle, the Light's influence since some of them befriended the Draenei on Draenor/Outland and a new bond with Avianna and the Night Elves, or to have the Botani from AU Draenor be tamed by contacting the Wild Gods and the Emerald Dream and adopting a more balanced view of nature while still being anti-orcs and more ruthless than NE.
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There's a forum feature that makes things far more pleasant by getting rid of the "I'm so clever, just ask me" "Horde did nothing wrong" types. You cannot reason with them any more than you can with a rock.
Personally, I'm enjoying that WoW is failing hard for catering to those people.
Why no, people don't just like Sylvie for T&A: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ery-Cinematic/
The thing is, if you've read the novel already, Sylvanas truly was trying to improve and change the universe for the better, trying to create a new cosmos where all families would be forever reunited in both life and death, and was perhaps herself manipulated by the Jailer. I am not saying at all that anyone has to like or forgive her, but her motives at least as portrayed in that book are in a way...somewhat understandable.
A completely shattered and angry woman with a broken family who had lost everything to defend her homeland and people, and who desperately wanted to do everything possible to stop other families from "breaking apart".
"You see, there is balance in all things. Wisdom etched in our very fur: Black and white. Darkness and light. When the last emperor hid our land from the rest of the world, he also preserved...our ancient enemy, the mantid. So it is with your Alliance and your Horde. They are not strong despite one another; they are strong BECAUSE of one another. You mistake your greatest strength for weakness. Do you see this?"
Something far harsher as a punishment and at least an extremely long time to atone for her sins before she could hope to go to a better afterlife after all the evil things she did.
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Another thing I would have added would have been to add several advisors and members of government to the king of Stormwind, Ironforge, Darnassus, Gnomeregan and Gilneas, with at least a few pragmatic and manipulative schemers to make some more morally dubious decisions behind or before their ruler's back.
For example I would have given a Bloodraven like character as the founder and leader of the Warlocks of Stormwind with him being dreaded and reviled by most of Stormwind and even the king, but still a part of the council and working for the kingdom and Alliance with his own dark methods and schemes.
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Fandral Staghelm would have been the perfect choice for the Night Elves with his study of the Firelands and creation of the druids of the flame being destined to strengthen and help his people against the Horde, the Old Gods' forces and other threats instead of him being another mad and corrupt villain.
In my opinion give them some conflict, They seem too perfect that everyone gets along, with no in fighting, nothing
Hell when Varian died, they should of held another election to make a High king not just give it to Aundin. Varian was elected as High King of the Alliance by all the races, he wasnt just given the role
That High King title should have never existed in the first place, it gave too much power and dominance to Stormwind and Anduin didn't deserve it, it would have been better if the Alliance leaders had elected a supreme commander of the Alliance forced just like the original Alliance rulers did to prevent the issue of a kingdom ruling over the others.
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Free Factionchanges to alliance.
Alliance would hardly benefit from internal conflict since they always lose external conflicts and just layering a civil war onto endless suckfest of external affairs will be like slathering a shit sandwich with puke.
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Yet she never used her much “praised” “genius” to try and think about what a clearly evil, absolutely monstrous dude with obvious bias was showing her! Like have she spared two seconds to think “what if i am being played here?” When she had SEVERAL RACES IN THE HORDE WHO GOT TRICKED THE SAME WAY?!