Dragonflight 10.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ok not to be that guy, but is this really true? I mean, Kalimdor is their ancestral home but that name referred to a super continent back then. The Well of Eternity, Zin-Azshari etc were all in a completely different place. I'm aware they've since dwelled for a long time in what is today northern Kalimdor, but technically they have ties to the entire world.

Yes it’s true.

The well of eternity blew up ten thousand years before WC3, with said exploding the high Bourne that stood against the legion had a culture shift and stayed in the same area all of that time growing and developing there new culture with only a handful of times they left the areas to deal with threats.

The race predates the sundering by like 2000 but even then they lived in the same area and post sundering they never left it.

[Worldshaper]

Yes it’s true.

The well of eternity blew up ten thousand years before WC3, with said exploding the high Bourne that stood against the legion had a culture shift and stayed in the same area all of time growing and developing there new culture with only a handful of times they left the areas to deal with threats.

The race predates the sundering by like 2000 but even then they lived in the same area and post sundering they never left it.

But what I'm saying is that the Kaldorei Empire stretched across basically all of Azeroth (or well, what is currently known to have been the Azerothian super continent of Kalimdor). They definitely have deep ties to the forests around Mount Hyjal, no doubt about that. But if you look at the Dragons, they left the Dragon Isles 10K years ago and basically all they do is reminisce about the good ol' days in the isles.

[Kiivar86]

That's one bold assumption.

I like to be optimistic when I can.

As for this whole "ancestral homeland" stuff, Teldrassil was basically grown on nothing, wasn't it? From what I reread on wowpedia to refresh myself, it looks like they basically just chose a spot in the veiled sea off the coast and grew it there. Given previous Night Elf/Kaldorei holdings relatively near (Broken Isles) you could say the Dragon Isles aren't that far off from their "ancestral homeland" even now.

[Nymrohd]

I like to be optimistic when I can.

As for this whole "ancestral homeland" stuff, Teldrassil was basically grown on nothing, wasn't it? From what I reread on wowpedia to refresh myself, it looks like they basically just chose a spot in the veiled sea off the coast and grew it there. Given previous Night Elf/Kaldorei holdings relatively near (Broken Isles) you could say the Dragon Isles aren't that far off from their "ancestral homeland" even now.

It's not about Teldrassil, it is about Northrend Kalimdor. Where all the Kaldorei questing zones are.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

But what I'm saying is that the Kaldorei Empire stretched across basically all of Azeroth (or well, what is currently known to have been the Azerothian super continent of Kalimdor). They definitely have deep ties to the forests around Mount Hyjal, no doubt about that. But if you look at the Dragons, they left the Dragon Isles 10K years ago and basically all they do is reminisce about the good ol' days in the isles.

The night elfs have lived in the area around Hyjal for longer then the pre sundering race existed and unlike the dragons have never left there lands to re settle else where and don’t want to go back to the “good old days” they exiled the elves who did and they became the high/blood elfs.

The two really aren’t comparable.

[Worldshaper]

The night elfs have lived in the area around Hyjal for longer then the pre sundering race existed and unlike the dragons have never left there lands to re settle else where and don’t want to go back to the “good old days” they exiled the elves who did and they became the high/blood elfs.

The two really aren’t comparable.

They are comparable, because literally the only difference is this:

DRAGONS - Lived in the Dragon Isles.

KALDOREI - Lived in the Kaldorei Empire.

Same Story

Left their ancestral home >10K years ago, out of necessity. Formed bonds and habits elsewhere. Settled in various places, such as forests, mountains, and magical cities, which overtime became like home.

Has already happened to Dragons, may end up happening to Kaldorei

Returned to their ancestral home, out of necessity. Keep reminiscing about the good old days, as if they never left. Remembering old friends, family, lovers, enemies, places, etc.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

They are comparable, because literally the only difference is this:

DRAGONS - Lived in the Dragon Isles.

KALDOREI - Lived in the Kaldorei Empire.

Same Story

Left their ancestral home >10K years ago, out of necessity. Formed bonds and habits elsewhere. Settled in various places, such as forests, mountains, and magical cities, which overtime became like home.

Has already happened to Dragons, may end up happening to Kaldorei

Returned to their ancestral home, out of necessity. Keep reminiscing about the good old days, as if they never left. Remembering old friends, family, lovers, enemies, places, etc.

Again the night elfs are in there ancestral home already, they lived there pre sundering and never left with only a handful of known night elfs coming from Suamar and they do not want to go back to the old days they exiled the elfs who did.

These are apples and oranges, they might both be over 10k old fruit but they are not the same or even similar.

[Hellspawn]

Ok not to be that guy, but is this really true? I mean, Kalimdor is their ancestral home but that name referred to a super continent back then. The Well of Eternity, Zin-Azshari etc were all in a completely different place. I'm aware they've since dwelled for a long time in what is today northern Kalimdor, but technically they have ties to the entire world.

The current Kalimdor, specifically Ashenvale and Hyjal have been the home of the Night Elf society we currently got for 10000 years.
The Night Elf Society as we know it today was build there.

[Murlocos]

I think the issue with this whole storyline that it's dragged out for so long in real time that expectations have grown more and more over it, and every step along the way has come with some sort of setback to the night elves. In the past year, we've gotten positively received and positively framed storylines for undead, orcs, and tauren, alongside an underwhelming human questline and ongoing night elf suffering porn: things have definitely skewed in the Horde's direction on top of the faction imbalance becoming dire enough to dictate more cross-faction systems. I can understand trepidation that the climax to this ~5 year plot is going to end with even more misery or the belief that the writing team doesn't care much for the Alliance outside of a certain MIA faction leader.

[Worldshaper]

Again the night elfs are in there ancestral home already, they lived there pre sundering and never left with only a handful of known night elfs coming from Suamar and they do not want to go back to the old days they exiled the elfs who did.

These are apples and oranges, they might both be over 10k old fruit but they are not the same or even similar.

That's not really true, is it.

Tyrande, Malfurion and Illidan all grew up in Suramar.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

That's not really true, is it.

Tyrande, Malfurion and Illidan all grew up in Suramar.

Do you not know what a handful means? That’s 3 elfs out of the tens if not hundreds of thousand and one of them has never actually been apart of the new society they built post sundering.

[Skildar]

I don't really get the issue with having the tree in the Dragon isles when the end of shadowlands already hints to this. They're looking for a place where it can grow safely hidden from danger and Merithra is the one to know the right place. We'll see if there are some interesting stories to be told for the tree after this cinematic but honestly that could be the end of the thread.

[Raetary]

That's not really true, is it.

Tyrande, Malfurion and Illidan all grew up in Suramar.

How is it not true?

Hyjal and its surroundings have been the home for the Night elves since before they even became elves.
They are quite literally as well as figuratively from that region, and they have never ever left it.

That individual characters are born in places other than Hyjal does not change that fact.

[Pheraz]

I don't really get the issue with having the tree in the Dragon isles when the end of shadowlands already hints to this. They're looking for a place where it can grow safely hidden from danger and Merithra is the one to know the right place. We'll see if there are some interesting stories to be told for the tree after this cinematic but honestly that could be the end of the thread.

I can ofc only speak for myself. There is indeed no logical problem or a problem in the story plot leading to this. But that the dragon isles will prbly be irrelevant once the next xpac comes (if we aren't hit by an asteroid by then :P). Just all races have their capitals on the old zones and you can go there by flight master except the night elves being locked in the dragon isles. At least this is my problem, UNLESS they finally manage to utilize the dragon isles to play a role in the future, which I highly doubt.

I mean why couldn't the story be that the night elves slaughter half of the orcs on kalimdor and grow their tree right in their orc faces? Which would make the night elves ofc the baddies. Would be a lot more interesting, in my opinion. Also it makes all those dozens of little night elf hubs completely strange in the old zones. I won't count them all but there are really a lot of them. Also, there is a high change that I am wrong and it all turns out to be fine.

[Luck4]

I think the issue with this whole storyline that it's dragged out for so long in real time that expectations have grown more and more over it, and every step along the way has come with some sort of setback to the night elves. In the past year, we've gotten positively received and positively framed storylines for undead, orcs, and tauren, alongside an underwhelming human questline and ongoing night elf suffering porn: things have definitely skewed in the Horde's direction on top of the faction imbalance becoming dire enough to dictate more cross-faction systems. I can understand trepidation that the climax to this ~5 year plot is going to end with even more misery or the belief that the writing team doesn't care much for the Alliance outside of a certain MIA faction leader.

Horde favoritism is still a thing even after all these years and all the dev team changes, and also despite the factions being blurred. It's hopeless...

[Lahis]

They are THE Life race, and the Dragons are majority-rules also a Life species (Red and Green) on the closest thing to the Life Island. It does make some sense even if the lore isn't there outside of the connection between Greens and Nelves.

Also, when the Oracle in Zereth Mortis was first activated, she spoke in different languages related to cosmic forces before she found one the player understood:

The player is seen lifting from the ground. The haze is thicker than ever, and there are now clear patterns pulsating around the screen. Saezurah is seen floating in the tunnel out of Exile's Hollow. Her voice is an echoing whisper.

Saezurah says: (Titanic) Midnir.

The player begins to float after her. The screen flashes and the scene changes, showing Saezurah floating over Faith's Repose just outside. Her voice becomes louder and clearer.

Saezurah says: (Draconic) Rethul.

Another flash and scenery change: the Great Veldt.

Saezurah says: (Demonic) Kasharu.

The road near the Terrace of Formation.

Saezurah says: (Shath'Yar) An'qoth.

Zovaal's Grasp. Her voice is very clear now. The camera drastically zooms in on her head.

Saezurah says: Vessel.

The camera cuts to the player's face.

Saezurah says: Vessel.

And back to the oracle.

Saezurah says: Vessel.
Saezurah guides the player to the Resonant Peaks and shows them a closed vault at the top.
Saezurah says: Dormant above the sands.
Saezurah says: The song seeks a voice.
Saezurah says: Ascend.
Saezurah says: Reclaim.
Saezurah says: Restore.

She is calling for Vessel in different languages. Titanic is clearly Order, Demonic is Disorder, and Aht'Yar is Void. Dunno if it was the Language of Death or First Ones the PC finally understood, but the Dragonic here is interesting. Of the two remaining options, Draconic being the langauge of Life makes more sense than for it to be Light language.

Also telling of the nature of the First Ones that she first spoke in Titanic.

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I kinda like that the tree is in the Dragon Isles idk? I love the idea of dragonriding from it and towards it. Plus, from the leak, it's looking gorgeous. I hope we get a bit of an Arcan'dor type deal where we see it develop over time.

And those early build screenshots are just done with generic Ohn'aran plains tree model. Probably just to get the sense of scale for the proper tree. Proper Ardenweald and Dream blessed tree will look even better.

[Luck4]

I don't really get the issue with having the tree in the Dragon isles when the end of shadowlands already hints to this.

The issue is that the new tree is supposed to be the new Night Elf capital/main hub, and Dragon Isles has nothing to do with the Night Elf/Kal'dorei civilization. This new World Tree will be just another random World Tree like Andrassil/Vordrassil and Shaladrassil.

The only hope left now is if we get some confirmation that the Night Elves took Nordrassil to be their new capital/main hub, and it's no longer neutral. That would be a good exchange, even if it's not displayed ingame.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I can ofc only speak for myself. There is indeed no logical problem or a problem in the story plot leading to this. But that the dragon isles will prbly be irrelevant once the next xpac comes (if we aren't hit by an asteroid by then :P). Just all races have their capitals on the old zones and you can go there by flight master except the night elves being locked in the dragon isles. At least this is my problem, UNLESS they finally manage to utilize the dragon isles to play a role in the future, which I highly doubt.

I mean why couldn't the story be that the night elves slaughter half of the orcs on kalimdor and grow their tree right in their orc faces? Which would make the night elves ofc the baddies. Would be a lot more interesting, in my opinion. Also it makes all those hundreds of little night elf hubs completely strange in the old zones. I won't count them all but there are really a lot of them. Also, there is a high change that I am wrong and it all turns out to be fine.

Because there's no point to it other then to satisfy bloodthirsty nelf fans who quite frankly need to take a step back. I also don't think Nelves would appreciate being made the baddies either(I don't want that either, more rabbid fans would take that negatively even if they got their home back) in Kalimdor and did what you suggested. I would also like to point out before someone strawmans me,no I don't expect Nelves to just take it and not respond to losing their home or whatever. That doesn't mean you just repeat the cycle of violence.

As for somehow Nelves finding new home elsewhere compared to what their native homeland used to be= Pro colonialism/Profascism. Like can we give it a fucking rest, I am anti Fascist but that literally is not the first thing I think of. Technically Night Elves first home is Suramar and the area near the Well of Eternity and such. We don't need to always look at video games through a hyper political Lense. I do not believe that is what the post Afriasbi wow team is trying to tell. "But the scandal" Yeah the scandal happened but that doesn't mean the general employee vibe is all about the colonialism and facism, take a step back(Pheraz I wasn't directing the take a step back stuff to you personally).

[Lorgar Aurelian]

The only hope left now is if we get some confirmation that the Night Elves took Nordrassil to be their new capital/main hub, and it's no longer neutral. That would be a good exchange, even if it's not displayed ingame.

We actually got that confirmation in shadows rising with only the the horde in the CC allowed in Hyjal because they took no part in the war and sided with the night elfs after it.

Rather it will stay that way or ever get updated in game is any ones guess.

[Gurahk]

Horde favoritism is still a thing even after all these years and all the dev team changes, and also despite the factions being blurred. It's hopeless...

I want to know where all this favoritism was during Legion, BfA or Shadowlands.