There is NO ilvl difference between 8/8M raiders and 0/8 M players

[jasdasm]

So ? Its fine there are finally some different ways to get higher ilvl

who cares about ilvl anyway ??

[kamuimac]

So ? Its fine there are finally some different ways to get higher ilvl

who cares about ilvl anyway ??

nolifers and life failures clearly do

you know you see one when he is seeing life fullfilment from itlv in virtual games

[Interim]

So ? Its fine there are finally some different ways to get higher ilvl

who cares about ilvl anyway ??

same people irl that care about having a nice body, or a nice car. Nothing wrong with expecting a return on your time investment. You spend years in school at the expense of being out chasing tail, making money, or travelling - you expect a good job right?

if im putting nose to grind stone, to excel in a virtual world, i expect it to show. and it has since the beginning of wow, until recently.

again, its the trophy for participation rule. The new kids that expect to have everything the top players do.

You might think im bias, of course i am. Sprinkled with some common sense. I mean, im bad at arena. Would I like some of the top end pvp gear, the titles etc? Yep, but am i crying for blizzard to make me able to achieve 2200 score as well?

Nope, u want it you get it - if you cant - tough. Except in wow ;p

[Whistl3r]

To add some context to the OP, I'm very casual, play when I have time. I don't raid Mythic, my guild do some heroic runs and killed some bosses. I very rarely do M+ (the highest I've done is +6) and did world quests and until i got exalted with the factions then got bored and cant be bothered to keep doing them to maybe get a titan-forged piece. My mains Ilvl is 373 which reflects that I haven't put the time into the hardest or most time consuming progression paths. I don't think I've had the best of luck but I'd say that's fair. The OP and others at 385-395 have put a ton of effort in, end of.

[jasdasm]

same people irl that care about having a nice body, or a nice car. Nothing wrong with expecting a return on your time investment. You spend years in school at the expense of being out chasing tail, making money, or travelling - you expect a good job right?

if im putting nose to grind stone, to excel in a virtual world, i expect it to show. and it has since the beginning of wow, until recently.

again, its the trophy for participation rule. The new kids that expect to have everything the top players do.

You might think im bias, of course i am. Sprinkled with some common sense. I mean, im bad at arena. Would I like some of the top end pvp gear, the titles etc? Yep, but am i crying for blizzard to make me able to achieve 2200 score as well?

Nope, u want it you get it - if you cant - tough. Except in wow ;p

if u run higher m+ keys you deserve the gear. if you only kill a few mythic bosses or heroic clears you gotta have to be lucky.. again no problem. you dont get shit in arena until u reach the rating. nothing to do with item level

and again.. ilvl who cares.

[Fleckens]

I leveled a fresh 120 the other day and got 2 385's from Ivus instantly. The same ilvl I had to spend months farming 8/8M Uldir or M+ to get. Imagine dinging 70 during TBC and instantly getting Black Temple gear. This game is a joke now and all the Blizzard apologist's can have fun playing it by themselves when Classic comes out.

Wasn't the sunwell badge gear at the same level as black temple gear? Admittedly not as easy as doing a world boss but on the other hand it was something you could get with certainty without stepping foot in a raid.

As for the OP, on average a mythic raider will be quite a bit more geared than most other players simple due to their base gear being at 385 compared to 355-370, with one 380 per week(which the raider obviously also has access to). Right now you can get gear fairly easily with assaults and the new world boss but pre 8.1 you would see anyone above 380 for quite a while. Most of the 0 mythic kills players you see with 380+ have played since the start as well and just done heroic raiding, mythic+ or pvp. You progress raid and get your gear faster(assuming you're at a decent level guild, which probably isn't the case with just 44 kills as you'd be close to 100'ish if you were in a top 100 guild, even if benched sometimes you should reach 60-70 at least).

Funny thing is, I stepped down from raiding in bfa as the schedule didn't suit me but I still play a lot, so the first few weeks from mythic starting to them finishing it they got ahead of me in gear pretty rapidly, but now that they only log for 1 raid and 1 mythic+ I'm actually outgearing them simply because I still play the game a lot, doing pvp and mythic+. Obviously my itemlevel is also boosted quite a bit by playing at gladiator level(or elite as it's now called) so if someone doesn't pvp, or only does it at low rating, I don't see them getting to 385'ish without a lot of luck.

[Great Destiny Man]

same people irl that care about having a nice body, or a nice car. Nothing wrong with expecting a return on your time investment. You spend years in school at the expense of being out chasing tail, making money, or travelling - you expect a good job right?

if im putting nose to grind stone, to excel in a virtual world, i expect it to show. and it has since the beginning of wow, until recently.

again, its the trophy for participation rule. The new kids that expect to have everything the top players do.

And we have these in the form of achievements, transmogs, titles and mounts. iLvl just isn't important enough of a factor to distance yourself against non-raiders.

You might think im bias, of course i am. Sprinkled with some common sense. I mean, im bad at arena. Would I like some of the top end pvp gear, the titles etc? Yep, but am i crying for blizzard to make me able to achieve 2200 score as well?

In truth PvP rewards are purely cosmetic since the gear itself doesn't give you any noticeable advantages over raid/M+ gear. As I already mentioned you already get exclusive cosmetic rewards for raiding so this doesn't really fit into the ilvl argument.

[Deleted]

Do people seriously care about raiding so much that Ilvl is more important to you than clearing bosses? Wow.. Its a GAME DUDE.
Blizzard will do whatever they can to make money because spoilers, this game isn't built for you; it's built for money. Learn. Life. Spoilers. You are't the center of the universe like you think.
TL;DR Is this seriously where we are now? Just grow up. Imagine where you would be if you put this much effort into your real life job.

Clearing bosses isnt fun or interesting since Blizzard made raid bosses accessible to everyone. There is nothing exciting killing same boss what i have alredy killed several times in lower difficulty level or thousands of LFR players.

[MisterBigglez]

Players are only starting to reach those kinds of ilvls thanks to 8.1. When 8.1 came out, I decided to resub and level a priest. I've been max level for about 2 weeks on my priest and I am 382 ilvl and I have 0 titanforged pieces. Being able to purchase 385 azerite pieces a week, m+ weekly, warfront giving 385, world boss dropping 385, incursions everyday dropping 370+, m+ spam and heroic raid will easily make you catch up with everyone, but it wasn't like that before 8.1, you'd either have to be very lucky with titanforges or slowly get more ilvl each week from weekly chest and hope it's an upgrade.

[Deleted]

nolifers and life failures clearly do

you know you see one when he is seeing life fullfilment from itlv in virtual games

Not like increasing power of your character is core aspect of rpg games right? And guy is right. Nobady cares about itemlvl anymore thats why wow is dead game and bleeding subs.

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Players are only starting to reach those kinds of ilvls thanks to 8.1. When 8.1 came out, I decided to resub and level a priest. I've been max level for about 2 weeks on my priest and I am 382 ilvl and I have 0 titanforged pieces. Being able to purchase 385 azerite pieces a week, m+ weekly, warfront giving 385, world boss dropping 385, incursions everyday dropping 370+, m+ spam and heroic raid will easily make you catch up with everyone, but it wasn't like that before 8.1, you'd either have to be very lucky with titanforges or slowly get more ilvl each week from weekly chest and hope it's an upgrade.

Do you understand that warfronts wont be rewarding 385 at raid launch? It will reward itemlvl which will be at level of new hero raid. What we have now isnt catch up gear.

[seasy]

Not like increasing power of your character is core aspect of rpg games right? And guy is right. Nobady cares about itemlvl anymore thats why wow is dead game and bleeding subs.

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Do you understand that warfronts wont be rewarding 385 at raid launch? It will reward itemlvl which will be at level of new hero raid. What we have now isnt catch up gear.

It won't give HC ilvl gear at start of the launch.
Same reason that m+ will giving limited ilvl gear before mythic raid launch.

[Salty Maud]

Get off your pedestal, you're not special nor do you deserve special attention.

He has cleared the content on the highest difficulty setting, by definition he deserves the best rewards the game has to offer. I don't personally give a fuck but i recognize that the reward structure of this game is pretty fucked up when over time RNG is more of a factor on your gear than your ingame accomplishments. Everyone can reach 380+ over time if they manage at least a single +10 weekly, beyond that it's all about dem titanforges. Cutting edge players do reach the ilevel plateau faster than heroic plebs however so at least there's that.

[burek]

Not like increasing power of your character is core aspect of rpg games right?

Yeah and? If its a core aspect it makes sense for everyone to be able to increase their character's power. Caring about other people's gear is not a core aspect of anything, it's just pathetic.

Do you understand that warfronts wont be rewarding 385 at raid launch? It will reward itemlvl which will be at level of new hero raid. What we have now isnt catch up gear.

Yes it is catch-up gear. Heroic raid is cleared the first week and raiders will surpass its rewards quickly. One 400 ilvl item from a warfront every 3 weeks is irrelevant, and it is nothing new. Previous expansions had missions that rewarded the same every 2 weeks.

[arandomuser]

i like it, it hasnt stoppped me from wanting to raid in fact its made raiding easier and enjoyable. I hope they keep it this way in the future where you can earn your way based on how good you are not an arbitrary number

[AwkwardSquirtle]

Serious questions. What content do you do and what's your ilvl ? Do you bother doing repeatable content that rewards gear ?

Our guild usually completes heroic, and then gets stuck on the roster boss for mythic. Even if we got the roster I think that realistically we'd struggle to get more than half the bosses down. As for my ilvl, I think I'm stuck at 370 last time I checked, with HC G'Huun down and 2 down in mythic after joining with another guild. I've done a bit of M+, but not much. I try to keep up with WQs but have slacked a bit with that, and I barely ever touch islands.

[bloodkin]

I don't think that equal ilvls is bad, in fact, it's better against ilvl inflation. WoW had ilvl problems as far back as the start of TBC (questing greens almost as good as tier 2), even though it only really got out of hands at the end of WotLK, Blizz didn't really address years later with shitty stat squishes, which was a horrible band aid for the real problem that hyper inflated ilvls created, blizz should have stuck to a linear ilvl increase per raid tier and expansion.

What should set mythic apart is mounts and unique armor sets, maybe part of the 8/8 achievement.

[Fleckens]

He has cleared the content on the highest difficulty setting, by definition he deserves the best rewards the game has to offer. I don't personally give a fuck but i recognize that the reward structure of this game is pretty fucked up when over time RNG is more of a factor on your gear than your ingame accomplishments. Everyone can reach 380+ over time if they manage at least a single +10 weekly, beyond that it's all about dem titanforges. Cutting edge players do reach the ilevel plateau faster than heroic plebs however so at least there's that.

The way raid content is designed these days, clearing a mythic+ raid in december vs september/early october are completely different experiences due to the nerfs and gear increases everyone got, so I really don't think those in 1k+(or anything outside of top 2-300 really) rank guilds should feel entitled about "casuals" getting easy gear handed to them when that's pretty much what they are doing as well, getting easy 385 gear from doing nerfed raid content that they overgear. Depending on the affixes and the dungeons I'd argue doing a +10 is harder than most if not all of mythic uldir.

[Deleted]

Yeah and? If its a core aspect it makes sense for everyone to be able to increase their character's power. Caring about other people's gear is not a core aspect of anything, it's just pathetic.



Yes it is catch-up gear. Heroic raid is cleared the first week and raiders will surpass its rewards quickly. One 400 ilvl item from a warfront every 3 weeks is irrelevant, and it is nothing new. Previous expansions had missions that rewarded the same every 2 weeks.

We have now 2 warfronts. Thats 2x 400 every 3 weeks + incursions, weekly event, brawl, 2x world boss with 400 and 4x with 385. And not counting lucky coins and titanforging.

[kamuimac]

It won't give HC ilvl gear at start of the launch.
Same reason that m+ will giving limited ilvl gear before mythic raid launch.

technically you are wrong . the moment raids open on 22nd both darkshore warfronts and world boss will start giving away 400 itlv gear

[Fleckens]

I don't think that equal ilvls is bad, in fact, it's better against ilvl inflation. WoW had ilvl problems as far back as the start of TBC (questing greens almost as good as tier 2), even though it only really got out of hands at the end of WotLK, Blizz didn't really address years later with shitty stat squishes, which was a horrible band aid for the real problem that hyper inflated ilvls created, blizz should have stuck to a linear ilvl increase per raid tier and expansion.

What should set mythic apart is mounts and unique armor sets, maybe part of the 8/8 achievement.

They did sort of do the armor thing, high level content(raiding or arena) gives you a usually more detailed version of the armor set from that content and mounts are already a thing from most end raid bosses on mythic.