NC cops kick lesbian out of womens bathroom for looking like a man

[Azadina]

Where did I contradict myself? Female? Use the restroom designated for females. That is what is expected of you. You aren't required by law to carry an ID around at all times, but if at any point you want to prove who you are, then you better have an ID ready, because not having an ID doesn't mean that the police have to automatically believe whatever you say about who you are.

Even more funny you don't see it. Let me help "loox like man but is woman, throw her out for looking like man!!1" Then next up "Well, me think transmen are women despite looking like men, and being men. THEY SHOULD OBVIOUSLY USE WOMENS BATHROOM, DUH"

Does that help you?

[Rusken]

So a woman wearing jeans and a hoodie can be kicked out of a ladies bathroom for "looking like a man"? What the actual fuck is wrong with people these days.

[spinner981]

Even more funny you don't see it. Let me help "loox like man but is woman, throw her out for looking like man!!1" Then next up "Well, me think transmen are women despite looking like men, and being men. THEY SHOULD OBVIOUSLY USE WOMENS BATHROOM, DUH"

Does that help you?

No, because you said things that I didn't say. Trans'men' are women, not men. Women should use the women's restroom. Men should use the men's restroom. If you look and sound completely like a man, whether you are actually male or female, and you refuse to carry an ID to prove otherwise, then expect to get told to get out of the women's restroom. Just because you have an SJW opinion and my opinion doesn't fit yours doesn't mean I am contradicting myself somehow.

So a woman wearing jeans and a hoodie can be kicked out of a ladies bathroom for "looking like a man"? What the actual fuck is wrong with people these days.

Did you watch the video?

[Azadina]

No, because you said things that I didn't say. Trans'men' are women, not men. Women should use the women's restroom. Men should use the men's restroom. If you look and sound completely like a man, whether you are actually male or female, and you refuse to carry an ID to prove otherwise, then expect to get told to get out of the women's restroom. Just because you have an SJW opinion and my opinion doesn't fit yours doesn't mean I am contradicting myself somehow.

The law doesn't agree with your opinion, at all.

[spinner981]

The law doesn't agree with your opinion, at all.

Which law is it which doesn't agree with my 'opinion' that male's restrooms are for males and female restrooms are for females?

[Wells]

No, because you said things that I didn't say. Trans'men' are women, not men. Women should use the women's restroom. Men should use the men's restroom. If you look and sound completely like a man, whether you are actually male or female, and you refuse to carry an ID to prove otherwise, then expect to get told to get out of the women's restroom. Just because you have an SJW opinion and my opinion doesn't fit yours doesn't mean I am contradicting myself somehow.

At least you're dropping the ridiculous argument about this being for someone's protection and not enforcing socially conservative values on people.

[Rusken]

Did you watch the video?

Yeah.. I did. It's a video of a woman being harassed by cops to leave the bathroom because she's wearing jeans and a hoodie and their peanut brains can't imagine that women can wear anything except a miniskirt.

[Azadina]

Which law is it which doesn't agree with my 'opinion' that male's restrooms are for males and female restrooms are for females?

The new law passed in NC. Go have a look.

[spinner981]

At least you're dropping the ridiculous argument about this being for someone's protection and not enforcing socially conservative values on people.

Why is it wrong to have a socially conservative ideal that men belong in the men's restroom and women in the women's restroom, and why is it wrong to make sure that men are in the men's restroom and women in the women's?

Yeah.. I did. It's a video of a woman being harassed by cops to leave the bathroom because she's wearing jeans and a hoodie and their peanut brains can't imagine that women can wear anything except a miniskirt.

Really? Because if they just looked like a guy then you might have a point. But they sound a lot like a guy to boot. How else are humans supposed to determine if a person is male or female or not without being able to use any observational data to come to the conclusion? Well, apart from having an ID to prove that you are female. But not having an ID doesn't give you the legal right to effectively 'become female' for all intents and purposes.

Maybe you will say "Just take their word for it!" but me saying that I am the president of the US doesn't make me so, and it wouldn't be 'harassment' when the police and/or secret service 'escort' me off of White House property.

The new law passed in NC. Go have a look.

Which part of it disagrees with my opinion again?

[Azadina]

Which part of it disagrees with my opinion again?

You'll twist everything to fit your agenda, no matter how wrong it is. Why waste time on that?

[spinner981]

You'll twist everything to fit your agenda, no matter how wrong it is. Why waste time on that?

So, basically, the law doesn't disagree with me and you are just grasping at straws and throwing in some ad hominem to boot, claiming that anything I say that disagrees with you is just me twisting words around to fit my agenda? Gotcha.

[Wyrt]

Yes, because females go into the women's restroom, whether you have a pretend dick or not (which this person probably didn't have. They either had none or a real one most likely.). How hard is this to understand?

It's not a dildo.

If you're going to force men into the women's restrooms then you can't harass them for being manly once they're in there.

And the person in the video is a woman, doesn't seem to be trans. Harassing people in the bathroom because they don't conform to your idea of femininity is not acceptable.

[Wells]

Why is it wrong to have a socially conservative ideal that men belong in the men's restroom and women in the women's restroom, and why is it wrong to make sure that men are in the men's restroom and women in the women's?

For the same reason its wrong to force your personal views on how people should behave on others in every other situation. And you're not talking about sex, you're talking about phenotypes, if anything. You're not trying to keep men and women to what you think are their own bathrooms. You're trying to force people to go to the bathroom you think they belong to visually. Its petty and asinine.

[Azadina]

So, basically, the law doesn't disagree with me and you are just grasping at straws and throwing in some ad hominem to boot? Gotcha.

It's more like you going: "woman looks and sounds like a guy, despite not being a guy. Not allowed in womens bathroom!" Next was "transmen are women because I don't agree on them being men. But despite looking and sounding (and being) men, they need to use womens bathroom!" I mean, wtf. Do you even understand yourself what you're talking about? Then you see no contradictions. Hilarious.

[spinner981]

It's not a dildo.

If you're going to force men into the women's restrooms then you can't harass them for being manly once they're in there.

And the person in the video is a woman, doesn't seem to be trans. Harassing people in the bathroom because they don't conform to your idea of femininity is not acceptable.

Nobody is forcing actual men into the women's restroom. Once again, you must be misinterpreting something here and it is throwing off your entire perception of this situation.

I see nothing in this video that implies that this person is female apart from the person taking the video shouting at the police while saying that they are.

The police aren't harassing anybody, and there is a difference between 'conforming to an idea of femininity' and being a man.

It's more like you going: "woman looks and sounds like a guy, despite not being a guy. Not allowed in womens bathroom!" Next was "transmen are women because I don't agree on them being men. But despite looking and sounding (and being) men, they need to use womens bathroom!" I mean, wtf. Do you even understand yourself what you're talking about? Then you see no contradictions. Hilarious.

Except I am not making the assumption that this person is female just because they say they are. Looks male and sounds male to me. Most sensible people would think the same.

Once again, I don't alter my interpretations of reality based on what people insist that they are. From my perspective this person looks and sounds male. No I don't want to see their genitals. That's why the police ask for an ID, which they should have if they plan on looking male but trying to get into the female bathroom.

Furthermore, this discussion isn't even about transgender people (but of course you make it about them, because everything seems to be about them lately). The title claims that this person is a lesbian, not trans.

[May90]

No, because you said things that I didn't say. Trans'men' are women, not men. Women should use the women's restroom. Men should use the men's restroom. If you look and sound completely like a man, whether you are actually male or female, and you refuse to carry an ID to prove otherwise, then expect to get told to get out of the women's restroom. Just because you have an SJW opinion and my opinion doesn't fit yours doesn't mean I am contradicting myself somehow.

Self-education is hard, I see... All it takes is a few minutes of googling to understand how wrong you are.

And drop the "SJW" already. This label is getting old and lame.

[Wyrt]

Nobody is forcing actual men into the women's restroom. Once again, you must be misinterpreting something here and it is throwing off your entire perception of this situation.

I see nothing in this video that implies that this person is female apart from the person taking the video shouting at the police while saying that they are.

The police aren't harassing anybody, and there is a difference between 'conforming to an idea of femininity' and being a man.

Transmen post-op are men. They aren't women. They're being forced to use the women's bathroom by this law.

And the police were most certainly harassing this woman. Not dressing like your ideal of femininity is not probable cause.

[May90]

Nobody is forcing actual men into the women's restroom.

Look...
1. A post-op transman looks and sounds exactly like a man.
2. According to the law, he should use women's bathroom.
3. He uses women's bathroom, and the situation like on the video occurs.

You are missing the thing: ACCORDING TO THE NEW LAW, the situation on the video is exactly what is expected in case of transman, and so the police has no business interfering, because this situation is expected.

What is confusing?

[Azadina]

Once again, I don't alter my interpretations of reality based on what people insist that they are.

Oh no, your version of reality is what many would call space unicorns. I have no doubt you would not change your perception to reflect reality.

[spinner981]

Self-education is hard, I see... All it takes is a few minutes of googling to understand how wrong you are.

And drop the "SJW" already. This label is getting old and lame.

Is how 'wrong' I am calculated by the number of hippies that disagree with me or something? Do you prefer the word hippies or SJW?

Transmen post-op are men. They aren't women.

No, they're not.

They're being forced to use the women's bathroom by this law.

Because they are women.

And the police were most certainly harassing this woman. Not dressing like your ideal of femininity is not probable cause.

Where are they harassing them? They are telling this person to leave the women's restroom, and they refuse to comply, so they move them out.

Look...
1. A post-op transman looks and sounds exactly like a man.
2. According to the law, he should use women's bathroom.
3. He uses women's bathroom, and the situation like on the video occurs.

You are missing the thing: ACCORDING TO THE NEW LAW, the situation on the video is exactly what is expected in case of transman, and so the police has no business interfering, because this situation is expected.

What is confusing?

Well, first of all, the video is claiming this person is a lesbian, not trans.

Second, I am not working under the assumption that this person is biologically female, because they sure as hell look biologically male to me, and I don't really think that taking people's word for it is just cause to believe anything a person says as long as it caters to the PC culture.

Granted, they could be female, just dressed to look male (and being really good at altering their voice to sound male), but I see no reason to think that they are, and if they have no ID then that's all you can really go off of.

Oh no, your version of reality is what many would call space unicorns. I have no doubt you would not change your perception to reflect reality.

Oh look, more blatant ad hominem in favor of providing actual arguments. Is that butter on your feet? Because you're on a roll today.