A Simple Argument for the Tinker Class

[Gamevizier]

Working on my tinker concept. Might show it a rough draft when i have 6 abilities for each spec figured out.

you can check my old suggestion post in case you needed some ideas. though it's a long read.

[Traveler Voltin]

Its going fine so far. I am just going to go bed and work on it in the morning. Hard to think when tired

[Aeula]

a class that revolves around building turrets and manning kickass steam powered suits? you're comparing THAT with monks???? what's wrong with you.

Monks, a class based on all those karate movies where unarmed people destroy tanks, turrets and people with guns.

Tinker's main flaw is that it's based around arguably the most hated race in the game: Gnomes. Pandaren are only slightly less hated.

[Dastreus]

Well that's an unfair question since we don't know what abilities a Tinkerer would have since the class doesn't exist. However, if we use other classes as examples, we can use Tinker abilities from WC3 and HotS for examples of possible Tinkerer abilities;

+The ability to turn into a mechanical, which grants certain benefits/downsides in WoW such as being immune from Fear, Bleeds, and Drains, and the inability to be healed, yet the ability to be repaired. (Robo-Goblin)
+The ability to pilot a mech during combat. (Robo-Goblin)
+The ability to collect scrap parts from expired machines to restore resources or empower yourself. (Break it Down)
+The ability to rapidly upgrade machines to fit a combat situation and enhance their capabilities. (multiple abilities in WC3 and HotS)
+The ability to instantly construct a factory that produces robots that fight for the Tinker. (Pocket Factory)
+The ability to construct and use a rapidly expanding laser that increases damage over time. (Deth Lazor)
+Gravity Weaponry that pulls targets towards the center, damaging them. (Grav-O-Bomb)

Well done. These are some fine examples. Maybe this can be somehow managed, after all. The difficulty in designing a Tinker class is inherently differentiating it from the Engineer profession. One spec could be something like an alchemist that is able to cleanse all dots/give temp buffs. Support spec. Maybe heals. But that spec would then have to differentiate between well... Alchemists.

[Alanar]

If a new class would be introduced and it is a tinker, I would be SO dissapointed. I realy dislike the tinker fantasy and it isnt realy out there in wow. I rather see something more fantasy "fantasy" if you get what I mean.
Shadow hunter, warden, blood mage, seawitch. Just no electric turbo engi class imo.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I've seen so many of these awful Tinker threads, I just hope it never happens out of pure spite by now.

[Traveler Voltin]

If a new class would be introduced and it is a tinker, I would be SO dissapointed. I realy dislike the tinker fantasy and it isnt realy out there in wow. I rather see something more fantasy "fantasy" if you get what I mean.
Shadow hunter, warden, blood mage, seawitch. Just no electric turbo engi class imo.

Wow has never been pure fantasy. Read some lore

[Teriz]

Monks, a class based on all those karate movies where unarmed people destroy tanks, turrets and people with guns.

Tinker's main flaw is that it's based around arguably the most hated race in the game: Gnomes. Pandaren are only slightly less hated.

I disagree. First off, Gnomes aren't the most hated race in the game. Pandaren are still less popular than Gnomes. Additionally, the overall Gnome population is pretty much tied with the Dwarves.

If you look at general population, part of what makes a race popular is the class available to it, and how well the lore jives between them. Druid is a popular class, and if you look at the population of all of the races that can be druids, the majority of them are Druids. Part of what makes Druids popular are their individualized forms which vary from race to race, their uniqueness, their versatility, their exclusivity (only 4 races can be Druids) and their very strong lore (which arises from all the above).

If you choose a druid, you get unique forms based on your race. That gives the player a much stronger connection to the character because it makes the class more unique (even though it definitely isn't). Druids also get their own mount form, flight form, and swimming form. The class can perform any role, so they're highly welcome in raids and they're a great class to solo as.

A Tinker class could be very similar to all of the positives of the Druid class;

1. It's a unique theme among the classes.
2. It would have a strong tie-in to the lore of Goblins and Gnomes.
3. The class could have 4 specs and be just as versatile as Druids.
4. Exclusivity (very few races can be this class)
5. You could give each race of Tinker their own unique design and appearance to reflect their race.
6. Like Druids they could have their own unique mount, swim form, and flight form.

Hope that helps.

[Traveler Voltin]

Well i just thought of a resource idea for my tinker idea.(for tank and melee dps)

[Teriz]

Well done. These are some fine examples. Maybe this can be somehow managed, after all. The difficulty in designing a Tinker class is inherently differentiating it from the Engineer profession. One spec could be something like an alchemist that is able to cleanse all dots/give temp buffs. Support spec. Maybe heals. But that spec would then have to differentiate between well... Alchemists.

Just like the earlier example we have abilities from WC3 and HotS that can be utilized for the class that doesn't exist in the Alchemy profession. In fact, the main issue is to make sure that any Alchemy-based spec doesn't overlap with the Monk class.

Examples of possible abilities from an Alchemy-based spec:

+AoE heal: Healing Spray (WC3) In WoW this ability healed machines.
+An AoE or single target ability that damages over time and reduces armor: Acid Bomb (WC3)
+Singe target that increases damage and attack speed: Chemical Rage (WC3)
+Instant kill that turns target into resource: Transmute (WC3)
+Single target attack that also damages the user: Unstable Concoction (WC3)
+Damage over time that prevents healing/repair: Liquid Fire (WC3)
+AoE damage that hits first target then splits damage among targets in cone: Gilnean Cocktail (HotS)
+Ability that reveals hidden/stealth targets: Scented Tincture (HotS)
+Repeated use of potions/tinctures refund resources: Perfect Aim (HotS)

Combine these abilities with the other abilities I posted, and as stated by another poster (Rhamses I believe) you have a skeleton of a class taking shape.

[Traveler Voltin]

Rough draft done.

[Torgent]

Why do people want a class like this so badly? You'll just be AN ENGINEER!

Classes have combat abilities. Professions like Engineering do not.

[Traveler Voltin]

well here is my crappy rough draft.

Class: Tinker
Races: Gnome and Goblin

Specs: Seigebuster, Ironbreaker, Castlecrusher, and Iron Maiden. all specs use mechs.

Seigebuster(tank): Resource Heat
Grappling hand: Pulls a target to the tank.
Arc Shield:
Vent Heat:
Slag Slam:
Repair: self heal
Jackhammer:
Sweep:

Ironbreaker(melee dps): Resource Heat
Ground pound:
Rocket punch:
Repture:
Overdrive:
Repair: self heal
Rocket Jump:

Castlecrusher(range dps):
Cluster rockets:
Pocket Factory:
Drop turret:
Charge fire:
Cluster shot:
Repair: self heal

Iron Maiden(heals): Resource Mana
Healing regenerator:
Deloy Shield:
Care Package:
Healing Stream:
Healing shot:
Repair: self heal

Talents:

i plan to have to have like 12 abilities per spec as a better concept, Talents, description, and maybe pictures.
yes i know some of the names are crap. hopefully i can think of better names.

[Alanar]

Wow has never been pure fantasy. Read some lore

Wow lol.. you just went full retard.

I said I would, I dont care what you think. I am just saying imo it wouldnt be interesting enough. Tinker sounds absolutely boring

Ps: I dont need to read more to know the lore bro, I am not talking about fact of the wow lore lol /palm

[Traveler Voltin]

Wow lol.. you just went full retard.

did you miss all of the machines?
hell, gnomes come from robots.

WoW has never been pure fantasy.

[Alanar]

did you miss all of the machines?
hell, gnomes come from robots.

WoW has never been pure fantasy.

I know, again.. I dislike the robotshizle and if we are talking about a new class I rather see something else.
Who said tinkers are a good idea?

[Traveler Voltin]

I know, again.. I dislike the robotshizle and if we are talking about a new class I rather see something else.
Who said tinkers are a good idea?

every tinker supporter thinks its a good idea.
its also different from everything else in WoW and other games.

[Alanar]

every tinker supporter thinks its a good idea.

Yup, sounds to obvious.
Well then I am not a supporter.

[Traveler Voltin]

Yup, sounds to obvious.
Well then I am not a supporter.

then why are you still here?

[Alanar]

then why are you still here?

why would you care? does it say tinker supporters only..

god man..

ps: could say the same, what does a turd with 12 k post quote me randomly for, but I am not saying that cus I am a nice guy

Infracted: Don't blatantly try to start personal arguments. {MoanaLisa}