The issue here isn't me fathoming or accepting that people quit for family reasons. Or doing that for recurring times. I've done that myself, too.
However, what I argue is that it can't be the vast majority of quitters and people quitting for any other reasons that family/time to be a small minority like GC said. Especially when it's plain obvious like WoD when 70% of players just suddenly quit.
"...money's most powerful ability is to allow bad people to continue doing bad things at the expense of those who don't have it."
Yes i know, already mentioned that on one of my previous posts. That even makes things worse. Claiming stuff, claiming he has seen the proof, does not want to debate the proof, cannot present the proof. Sorry, won't take his word for it. His argument is too biased.
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Game changes is one things, especially when already asking for feedback. Here, we are talking FORCED changes because of players unsubbing. See Blizzard's revert of no flight ever. Those things hurt a company and the professional rep of their devs a lot.
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When an argument is presented by an objective third party it has more credibility than stated by a biased one. GC is by definition biased, because he still works in the gaming industry and he wouldnt do himself or any of his current or former colleagues a favor admitting a decision was reverted due to player pressure through unsubbing. Now if this argument was presented by a journalist with some numbers, i'd be more than willing to discuss it. Now i'm not.
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Noone has to lie. All they have to do is present numbers in a certain way. For example picking a certain period of player loss instead of another. Imagine we had the number of the unsubbing of players between the announcement of "no flight anymore" on WoW and the announcement of the pathfinder compromise. No dev would ever use those numbers to make a point about players leaving cause personal reasons. But numbers of unsubbing through the year content draughts of last tier of MoP and WoD could easily be attributed to those reasons.
Also, what data did GC is referring to? WoW, LoL? At which span of time? "I was in position to see the data, so i know" does not make ANY claim attributed to those data TRUE. Only if presented ALONG with the data. Maybe he's not lying, but i'm sure if he was ever forced to present those data, don't be folled that they weren't gonna be cherrypicked to prove his arguments. Statistics. The science that makes the numbers lie.
You keep mentioning that we need to see the data he's referring to in order to take him seriously. We'll never see that information so please quit referring to it in a way that makes it seem quantifiable. You also keep droning on and on about how he still has stake in the industry which motivates him to lie but if you've read his other tweets and AMAs, you'd see that he is very quick to own up to mistakes and even at times besmirch his previous employer.
It really boils down to whether you want to believe what he's saying or not. You clearly don't for what I perceive to be extremely shitty preconceived notions but you're welcome to have an opinion on the matter. Personally, I think a guy who has proven repeatedly that he can successfully be a driving force in the MMO gaming industry is far more believable than the angry, meandering ramblings of some random dude on MMO-C.
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I'm going to unsub if the loading bar freeze doesn't get fixed, having to close out and restart everything 5-10 times everytime I play is making me not want to play.
The Fresh Prince of Baudelaire
Banned at least 10 times. Don't give a fuck, going to keep saying what I want how I want to.
Eat meat. Drink water. Do cardio and burpees. The good life.
The Fresh Prince of Baudelaire
Banned at least 10 times. Don't give a fuck, going to keep saying what I want how I want to.
Eat meat. Drink water. Do cardio and burpees. The good life.
Which is not going to happen.
So, you want to see the data. But at the same you claim the data to be lies? You claim would cherry pick data to support his argument. What is stopping you doing so since you refuse his presentation? Your view of statistics is already making your interpretation to be unacceptable.
Statistics. The science of reading and understanding the data. Not making the numbers work for you. There is another name for that. It can be called propaganda.
And what about players who quit and are waiting to resub or buy Legion when flying is available again? I think that assuming you know the reasons why someone else quit better than they do isn't very good basis for a discussion.
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I think it's less about the data being false, and more about the data not being fully complete. The entire discussion centers around GC's claims of why people generally quit playing WoW. But he wasn't around for the shitstorm of WoD to see the data from that time period, so his info, while correct in the terms it was couched in, might not be as relevant today, given the more recent rollercoaster state of the game's population.
The entire mess is one giant appeal to authority. "GC said this, so it must be true". And while I respect GC a hell of a lot more than most of the other WoW devs, the way people are inevitably going to use his original quote out of context is not going to be good.
"You think you do... but you don't!"
Gaze too long into the Blizzard, and the Blizzard gazes back at you.
I could have quit for many reasons that accumulated to a breaking point. But I ended up quiting over one reason that even alone would have been enough to tip the scale for me.
I'm not over the game as such though, I'm just over Blizzard. I enjoy Vanilla more Than legion. Go figure.
Yet you presume you have the power to see the truth these people themselves do not? It's cool that you can do all that introspection for others, if it even can be called introspection when an external person - nay, a force - does it for them.
You must be really powerful. Or just projecting a lot.
Agreed, ppl have an unhealthy attachment to this game,
Take the Hunter forums for example over at bnet, numerous ppl(Not saying that there won't complaints.) complains about how the class is in Legion and is unhappy with how it plays but yet pays them 15$ dollars to play it. Add to the fact that they got a Let's Talk thread that still didn't help with player feedback.
I honestly think unsubbing is the only effective method to get the point across to the devs because let's be real here... if they're getting your money and you're still unhappy with a design why would they care to change it in the first place?
I don't care about Wow 11.0, if it's not solo-MMO. No half-measures - just perfect xpack.